Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

there's stuff on Louie I can't imagine MRA dudes being down with though, eg the episode with Sarah Baker (which even then struck me as being disingenuously try-hard male feminism but was willing to ascribe it good intentions; probably wouldn't scan that way on rewatch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=207tEp4AAV4

at the 41 min mark he tells a story about meeting two women in montreal (at an industry event) who try to get him to go out but he says no just come to my hotel. he tells another version of the story on another day in the studio, as well.

i'm sure some ilx mra anthropologist can lay out the case with more elegance. especially now, he's being brought down by feminists and the power of women (even though he's beta and endorsed obama). resenting his wife, that was a big part of louis, having kids is great, if you're not married anymore etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUH2zuvH9Oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fC2iXQXDo

here's a fun one where he takes on meddling feminists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bv7Q6UbG2w

from youtube channel Motivation Specialist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ClX9JUlhkw

#mgtow #redpill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf7uzpx7yfg

guys like this are so unchill about the proximity of women to their dudeness. they can't simply let women pass by without having to philosophize about their differences and their troublemaking and how you have to deal with them. this kind of stuff has been an infection in comedy and advertising and, well, life in general for eons of course.

not saying omar specifically but theres this attitude on this thread in general about "i never liked him anyway" that strikes me as disingenuous in the extreme. until now there was a vocal majority of ilxors who *refused to believe* the gawker allegations bc they were so swayed by his genius.

personally i thought his comedy was hilarious and good & didnt really get into the show, but unless you're tying the revelations to the reason his comedy's effectiveness has shifted for you im generally skeptical of people's about-face attitudes "i always thought he was lame"

i thought the show was pretty damn funny from what i saw of it (part of the first season.) my distaste isn't CK specific but more about the general distrust i have for anyone held up as a noble truth teller who sees what others don't. kinda based that on his talk show appearances more than his comedy bits. that extends even to someone like Carlin tbh, and not just individuals but life philosophies that pretend to unlock the secret to success or w/e.

https://itself.blog/2017/11/14/louis-ck-bent-over-backwards-to-tell-us-he-was-a-creep/

omar otm. feel like scott s. started a thread about this phenomenon at one point.

scott s. being scott stapp of course

I don't know who you're picking that up from, D-40. Scan through this thread from the beginning. Even before the recent news, some people thought he was good, some thought he was shit. I liked a lot of what he did and thought he was funny and it feels like Cosby all over again and it sucks and it doesn't feel safe to like anything made by dudes now.

FWIW, I would've lolled about omar's 'plastic bag from American Beauty' comment even before Louis was revealed to be a creep.

speaking only for myself, i don't esp want to make this about infighting among who found him all-the-way objectionable earlier/first/best until we can agree that all of the "resenting my wife" stuff is more than sufficient to find someone off-putting. i did! i watched his show and found his interactions with women unpleasant at best.

guys like this are so unchill about the proximity of women to their dudeness.
he has reminded me of one of the most pernicious ways attitudes like his (including those who identify with it) interfere with people's ability to live their best lives. it makes interactions (in the workplace, in the fields of creative people doing their chosen thing, virtually everywhere tbrr) between men and women (specifically) unnecessarily fraught. it doesn't have to be this way.

I always thought he was pretty fucking funny. Although I did think his last Netflix special was NOT funny, in a somewhat remarkable way. I was pretty shocked by how unfunny I thought it was.

a post like that really needs to be citing specific posters' "I never liked him" posts alongside those exact same posters' "he's a genius" posts to be anything other than worthless

im not trying to say i objected right/first/best or something, i remember seeing anthony & opie clips on youtube w/ him as guest (though i dont think i ever made it past the two minute mark on more than one of them) & just the sign that he'd appear on that show said something, i'm not surprised hes got a deep mra bro fanbase, i mean so do like 99% of male comedians from that generation. nor am i calling out any individual. i just think its weird how much people think the mission is to have Woke taste instead of being more conscious of what they like about things in the first place ... in that sense im kind of agreeing w omar

a post like that really needs to be citing specific posters' "I never liked him" posts alongside those exact same posters' "he's a genius" posts to be anything other than worthless

― treeship: a year in the life (wins), Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:59 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the hell it does, i could as easily be asking why the 'i never liked him' people never felt comfortable saying so before now

for me, i felt comfortable but i didn't care enough to type out "i think louis ck is a pig to women" and then deal with the conversation that followed
would rather just move on w my life

That's a good question! There might be good reasons they felt uncomfortable

xp

dealing with the fallout of bringing it up = #1

Seasons 1-3 of Louie I thought were great, particularly the Late Night Show episodes of Season 3 which still feels like a pinnacle

#4 was when things started to go off the rails bad; still perversely funny at times but the character went from kind of a lovable loser to abusive and shitty, which I thought was kind of a brave thing to do, for surely LCK must know how distasteful and toxic his avatar had become (but then, maybe not??). Didn't make it any easier to watch, and I skipped Season 5 entirely

Season 5 was the nadir, just completely out of ideas, just felt exhausted. I was also impressed with s4 in terms of how awful he was willing to make the character but again I think it might well play very differently on rewatch (which other people will have to report back on, cause nah).

Never watched the show at all. I have laughed at some of his bits about parenting and technology and work and society generally. His thing about airplanes and cellphones (we're simultaneously ridiculously spoiled and horribly miserable) struck me as insightful at the time.

Not so much at the "lol men and women are different, amirite?" stuff, which is played out like my dad's 8-track. I don't much care for that material from ANY comedybroze.

Female comedians can go to that well more often, I feel (Eliza Schlesinger? Katherine Ryan?). But even they can go to that well a bit too often. And it can ring false because underneath all the frisson of "wow, she went there! real talk!", there is an undercurrent of "um, but isn't this reductive and heteronormative and very very very done?"

Season 6 that was just Omegles of him jerking off and crying was dubbed "an auteur's genius reflection of the american psyche" by [insert white man culture writer]

This is the problem with complaints about "virtue signaling" I guess - it assumes ppl are changing their stance on the sly or faking an opinion from the start. This can be useful to the extent that ppl being honest with themselves about their motives is healthy, but it often kind of tramples all over the ppl that never held the dominant opinion to begin with

many xps

Like Cosby (oddly), his standup material on parenting was often A+

mostly agree w frogbs about the show's general qualitative arc.

If this thread is successfully moving into judgments on his career, I will chime in to say 'Lucky Louie' was a far funnier and far more impressive show than 'Louie'

Huh I always heard that was shite

for me, the story on o&a about putting cream cheese on his dick for his dog to lick off

hard disagree but I also think Pootie Tang sucks, studio interference or no xxp

The big thing for me with his show was how it had the same unpredictability as short fiction, instead of being a sitcom or drama. Same as starting a Margaret Atwood or Updike or whoever story, you would know the overall sensibility behind it, but literally have no sense in advance what the form and tone would be. I loved that openness. And, at its best, it really did seem like he was not going easy on himself but putting "himself' in least comfortable scenarios - "Late Show" and "Miami" still being two of my favorites.

The one of him doing the benefit with Seinfeld in the Hamptons felt very much like the anxiety dream of a comedian who feared consequences of getting caught doing something terrible.

Never seen anything this guy has ever done, I didn't even know what he looked like so I think I'm excused from any possible accusations of hypocrisy.

i liked his stand up, couldn't get into the show (i can't get into curb your enthusiasm either, i get really stressed out generally by shows that have so much social awkwardness and tension). i generally thought he was an entertaining talk show guest.

but i think it's natural to reassess the art and content in relation to what happened, it would be bizarre not to.

I have never heard of Louis C.K. and I don't even own a t.v.

What's a t.v.?

Seriously though, a lot of American stuff never makes it across the Atlantic.

i liked his netflix stand up special from this year... he showed a lot more humanity than other aging male comics (chappelle, chris rock namely) who are his peers

Particularly comedy.

The big thing for me with his show was how it had the same unpredictability as short fiction, instead of being a sitcom or drama.

The fact that FX let him make a show with no oversight whatsoever led to some really interesting ideas. I wish more networks would let their stars get away with stuff like that. Only thing I can think of is Nathan Fielder, though I haven't seen stuff like Master of None (which wouldn't exist if not for Louie, right?)

i'm american and until a couple years ago i could never keep louis ck and lewis black straight in my head

lol tom no need to get defensive

i could as easily be asking why the 'i never liked him' people never felt comfortable saying so before now

I mean this is Diet "why are these women just coming forward now"

.... is it

yeah

no

I stand by all my posts in this thread fwiw, my opinion of his standup and the show has (perhaps unsurprisingly) not changed

xxp

I uh don't think unconnected people not saying "I never liked him" is in any way comparable to victims not coming forward

wins i am trying to read your past posts for context bc i am having trouble with the parallel you're presenting there

let's pretend some people don't post about shit they don't like. lex pretend some people don't like comedy in general.

I just wanted to pop in and proclaim that I never even heard of comedy. Pretty cool huh

lol sufjan

I'm connecting the impulse to wonder aloud why ppl wouldn't come forward about a powerful figure

with the impulse to wonder aloud why ppl (sometimes the same ppl) wouldn't have spoken up about the more toxic parts of the sainted figure's public persona

It's the diet version of the wonderer

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