Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

let me get this straight, louis found space in his statement to apologise to.... dave becky???

louis ck: sorry i whipped my dick out and masturbated in front of you and then covered it up for years and tried to make it go away but now that it's very public and i lost out on money, i am ver sorry

dumbasses: THIS is how you apologize

— chai goth? CHAI goth? chai GOTH? chai goth... (@Abid_ism) November 10, 2017

This is excellent

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/tear-down-the-boys-club-that-protected-louis-ck.html

already posted, keep up!

by horseshoe iirc

Oh my bad..

^^^
THIS is how you apologize

lol

New Yorker review, similar to the Ebert one.

The film, which centers on the sexual machinations of powerful men, reeks of impunity. Like so many of Louis’s standup jokes that purport to skewer the grossness of men, it could only have been made by a person confident that he would never have to answer for the repulsive things he’s long been rumored to have done, let alone be caught—if I may borrow a choice word from the recently disgraced Leon Wieseltier—in a major moment of public “reckoning.”

oooof

China’s fate echoes an intention that Louis has often expressed regarding his own daughters: to cure them of the spoiled upbringing he has given them by refusing them any money when they come of age. He wants them to work for a living, just like he has. Like so many Fathers of Daughters, I guess, he’s counting on them not running into dudes like him on the job.

lolol i was just wondering to myself if he/his show was the first prominent Father of Daughters

I actually think it's too bad that people may not end up having the option to see ILYD cause I think its particular form of hypocrisy is actually pretty interesting

― Simon H., Friday, November 10, 2017 9:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk, we always talk about how harassment and sexism is a men's issue and I think part of that should entail looking at failed attempts to wrestle with these issues

― Simon H., Friday, November 10, 2017 9:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i disagree entirely. imo watching a movie where a serial predator entirely avoids facing the irl issue in favor of a fictional portrayal is not an attempt to "wrestle with these issues" it's the complete opposite. what we are doing now, discussing this career fallout, this is addressing the issue, head-on. tho i dunno maybe if you watch this movie with enough nodding and chin stroking you magically unlock the answer.

fwiw i don't find it interesting at all. it's not even novel, this shit happens everywhere in every industry. this is a symptom of the sickness of patriarchy. just because this guy tells jokes and does it with the trappings of art (black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!) doesn't make this meaningful in any way.

oh no, people aren't going to see the inner workings of this brilliant guy who had a career basically indulging his every whim, what a loss to culture

also the more i think about his bullshit apology the more i dislike it. he spends more time patting himself on the back for being admirable and powerful than anything. also im not sure i believe his accounts that yeah it was all cool and consensual cos the mf has been straight up lying about this for years why tf would he be telling the truth now?

I don't think things need to be defensible to be interesting or to reflect something about the moment in which they were produced, and I don't think CK's issues are restricted just to him

" also im not sure i believe his accounts that yeah it was all cool and consensual" did he say that?

He has finally stated that (rough paraphrase) he had maybe convinced himself at the time that it was consensual, because of the power differential, etc, he knows now it wasn't. The statement in pitchfork is the most complete I've read (linked above, I think).

if he/his show was the first prominent Father of Daughters

the staple plot of Father Knows Best (late 50s?) was daddy giving guidance to his "princess"

i have watched Father Knows Best and I don't think the two shows are comparable, nor are the portrayals of fatherhood.

this is a symptom of the sickness of patriarchy. just because this guy tells jokes and does it with the trappings of art (black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!) doesn't make this meaningful in any way.
so otm

so many ways to be creative and express difficult ideas -- and I Love You Daddy is what he chose
yikes

xp - not very comparable in terms of portrayal, sure, but FKB qualifies as "prominent" and was very heavy on the Father of Daughter element, so it does meet the only two criteria mentioned.

I cannot believe I am typing all this out but here goes: FKB was about his whole family. There were episodes about everyone. Like The Cosby Show or zillions of other family sitcoms. Louie (from what I remember of it) is all about Louie. His daughters come and go, in his life to stress him out and give him a way to experience human feelings. That's not the same as a family sitcom aside from him having daughters.

"(black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!)"

the woody allen fetishism is so weird given the circumstances. takes one to know one, i guess.

So, ILX, you've heard the arguments. Now you get to decide!

Louie. First prominent Father of Daughter television show, or not? We'll take your answers in the order they arrive. Or you can drop us a postcard instead.

i actually stopped watching that seth macfarlane sci-fi show when he cast charlize theron as his love interest in an episode. the whole wish-fulfillment casting thing is so gross. no offense to charlize for taking the part. it just bugged me. he's not even an actor. such a huge vanity/ego thing.

" also im not sure i believe his accounts that yeah it was all cool and consensual" did he say that?

https://i2.wp.com/thecomicscomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/LouisCK_statement_2017_november.jpg?resize=836%2C698

he starts by saying that "At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is true." i think this implies that he seeked consent (tho his statement doesn't consider the response to his question or what happened afterwards) he says that "It's a predicament for them."

so many ways to be creative and express difficult ideas -- and I Love You Daddy is what he chose
yikes

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:21 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. he is almost acting like an addict. pushing this bad thing more and more, seeing what he can get away with. he has publicly stated none of this was true and it was all rumor. all the while using the money he makes "Telling it like it is" to get that extra high. he talked about this in the pre interviews, how brave he was being for "stepping over the line".

it is for these reasons i say fuck it, cut off the addict. there are plenty of amazing people out there and not enough time in the world to appreciate them all. let's indulge this person no longer.

he can go to charity, he can raise money for some people that genuinely need it. that would be a start. right now he is just blowing it on literal masturbatory fantasies that are harming people.

After reading his statement — which is less an apology than a self-aggrandizing confession — I found myself wondering if that is what drove the desire to get off by humiliating women around him; that tension between knowing he could be the most aware and “woke” guy in the room, and an unquenchable desire within him to satisfy the selfish beast within. It’s a tension that gets played up a lot in his comedy. In 2013’s “Oh My God,” he riffed for several minutes on an “of course… but maybe…” construction, which invited the viewer into both an agreed-upon general principle of how things should be, and then undercut it with a petty frustration that arose out of trying to follow that principle. The most famous example is about kids with peanut allergies: “Of course children who have nut allergies need to be protected…. But, maybe, maybe if touching a nut kills you, you’re supposed to die.”

It’s a hilarious (if controversial) bit, but you can see how it might start muddying the waters quickly. Of course you should recycle, but maybe separating our recyclables is enough of a tedious pain that we can just skip it. Of course we should avoid dropping sexual innuendo in conversation, but maybe comedy is about being honest about whatever weird monster you are on the inside. Of course we aren’t supposed to masturbate on the phone, but maybe if you can get away with it, and it’s fun for you, then it’s justifiable. I always thought C.K. ended up on the side of the “of course.” It turns out he was more than happy to end up on the side of the “but maybe.”

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/louis-ck-scandal-sexual-harassment-mistake-louie-1202612558/

Louie. First prominent Father of Daughter television show, or not? We'll take your answers in the order they arrive. Or you can drop us a postcard instead.
on second thought, i am going with my two dads or the movie three men and a baby/little lady
i only wish i hadn't said anything to begin with so thanks for that

GIDGET

oh right! gidget! i loved that show.

"First prominent Father of Daughter television show, or not?"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c7/72/d9/c772d957ae05689bc474e6bfc42711a5--elizabeth-montgomery-january-.jpg

Was hoping David Edelstein would review the new movie, and he did:

https://wdef.com/2017/11/12/david-edelstein-on-louis-c-k-s-film-you-probably-wont-see/

wow the Maron podcast is worth listening to

Which ep is it?

Kim Deal

cliff's notes?

he just does a pretty good speech (as these things go, at least from male celebs) about power/sex/etc, including the story of a prof who kissed him without consent when he was in college. he criticizes louie's actions but also says "he's my friend" - and he doesn't criticize louie for lying to him (or to the world) about his past acts.

It seemed like he was partly addressing dum dums in the comedy world who are asking "What's the big deal?"

it's not perfect but it's probably the best thing I've heard or read from a male comedian

though frankly at least part of my reaction was maybe dreading Maron's inevitable take on the thing

It was interesting to hear Maron say he knew about the rumors, had asked Louie about them, and Louie lied to him.

yeah was good to hear him address that, felt like he ended up being overly easy on CK but he seemed to focus more on his own behavior and complicity in the larger comedy scene which I isn't necessarily a bad thing I guess

seemed to get pretty genuinely upset there, towards the end when we was saying LCK is still his friend after everything.

Here's a transcript of the first part:

This is the first part of what @marcmaron had to say on @wtfpod about his friend, Louis C.K. Every word is worth the read: pic.twitter.com/WXyUZIzrg1

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) November 13, 2017

It hasn't happened yet, but I would assume that - kind of like with Harvey W. and Toback - there will be a follow-up article with a new set of women on the record.

in the meantime, let's slide all of our chips over to the marc maron marker. nothing could go wrong over there.

Louis CK. The words you wrote are a shitshow of narcissistic cock soup.

— lena headey (@IAMLenaHeadey) November 11, 2017

Burr's response was predictably idiotic

narcissistic cocks make the best soup