WHOCHURCH: The Chris Chibnall era

don’t you get it veg she’s feeeeeeemale

grrr

suspenders are a 'little' costumey and it felt a bit like we were past costumey with capaldi, but I like her coat alot and I'm not sure what people have against culottes, I think they are cute on women.

suspenders are great on those who are shaped to accomodate them and horrific for everyone else, any suspender backlash is just indicative of the 90% of the population who can't wear them or who tried and failed
if you can pull them off (and Jodi Whittaker definitely can) I say put the pedal to the metal and go for it

otfm

(to whittaker pulling off the look)

Otfm

(to me wearing suspenders)

The coast is very Took Baker but with some Davison styling, especially around the lapels. The striped shirt also goes with the retro give.

*coat

*Tom Baker

*retro vibe

lol

“Took Baker Coast”, the new contribution from Mark Gatiss

Also a cape is in fairness a costume.

How much Gatiss are we expecting this time round?

zero

suspenders??

lol yeah was going to say, made me double take, but i think that US use is fairly interchangeable with braces these days.

'these days' jesus.

Lol @ hypothetical british person when the first they read about female doctor who's outfit is a 'Murican saying she's in suspenders

O tempora, o mores

"The striped shirt also goes with the retro vibe" the colors are from Baker's scarf

"suspenders??" = braces

My reservations about the new iteration of Who are pretty much all due to Broadchurch, which I did not like. I don't know how you create a show starring Olivia Colman and David Tennant that I do not enjoy watching, but bravo, Chibnall.

Braces are a bit Matt Smith era but w/e. Her outfit should evolve or switch a few times as it did with all recent Docs. I guess shades are out for a while but I am hoping for more hats.

BTW I would be pleased as punch to have a season full of "Dinosaurs in Space."

Are they also planning to switch up the score a bit? the sound design has been stale for years imo

would love to hear the Ólafur Arnalds take on the theme & etc.

oh that would be super

i thought I saw that Murray Gold was leaving but dunno

i thought I saw that Murray Gold was leaving but dunno

― akm,

Great new if true. I'd love the score to be fully performed on vintage synths but what are the chances.

The new score will be the soundtrack to Final Fantasy VII

Gold leaving been a very strong rumour for 6 months now. I think he might announce after Christmas he won't be back, although you probably won't be able to hear his announcement over the background music.

if Gold leaves it's seven years too late

if only I4n L3vine wanted to bother commissioning Paul Hartnoll to rescore the entire Moffatt era

Pix from location shooting are in the wild. Considered spoilers in this thread? Erring caution-side

Apparently a new trailer is out, which I haven't watched and will not link for possible spoiler reasons.

It's not spoilery, just shows the three new companions individually getting inklings that something weird's happening.

i can’t remember what’s been mentioned itt

Surprised there's not been more jubilation over Murray Gold's departure.

I'm jubilant!

teaser is a bit pizza heavy for some reason i can't fathom

My fear is that Chibnall will fumble the ball but that Whittaker will take the brunt of the blame. I hope I'm wrong. I'd like to be wrong.

My fear is that Chibnall will fumble the ball but that Whittaker will take the brunt of the blame. I hope I'm wrong. I'd like to be wrong.

― Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch)

i'm definitely ready for fan war. apparently there are some people complaining about the new composer because they're worried he'll sound too "black". out. out of my fucking fandom, anybody who thinks that can find another fucking show to be a fan of.

I would've thought the liberal excesses of the Davies era would've chased away most of the Neanderthalic fanbase that would've objected to a female Doctor. But then I woke up and remembered what world I was living in.

at this point i'm ready for fandoms of all kinds to just be shot straight into the sun, myself included

it's for the best really

this is the only doctor who fan site I ever read so I don't care what a bunch of trolls do on reddit or whatever. I predict that whochurch will render the previous two doctors all but forgettable.

I also don't think "fans" who pretend to like things just so they can moan and complain about how there's not enough cishet white dudes doing stuff are actually "fans" of anything at all, and we would never know they even existed if it wasn't for the Internet letting them hang out together in discord chats and feel empowered to express their profoundly stupid and unacceptable opinions out loud.

i'm cautiously optimistic about chibnall. i have no real reason to be, but then again i have no real reason to be optimistic about anything, so i have to contrive excuses for it. here are some of mine:

1. if moffat was a better writer than he was a showrunner, it stands to reason that there's a possibility chibnall will be a better showrunner than he was a writer.

2. looking back on the history of the show, even the most loathed showrunner (take a bow, john nathan-turner) managed to put together four solid seasons of the show. as long as the show henceforth manages to keep showrunners from sticking around longer than four years, only a tosh/wiles debacle would be cause for concern.

3. the leaked clip is pretty swell. not much to go on, admittedly, but show me any random 42 seconds of "the twin dilemma" and i don't think i'd be able to say the same.

4. bob holmes' first two scripts for doctor who were absolute garbage. he got better.

5. at least he's not mark gatiss.

I also don't think "fans" who pretend to like things just so they can moan and complain about how there's not enough cishet white dudes doing stuff are actually "fans" of anything at all, and we would never know they even existed if it wasn't for the Internet letting them hang out together in discord chats and feel empowered to express their profoundly stupid and unacceptable opinions out loud.

― El Tomboto

oh they're fans of _something_ all right.

bob holmes' first two scripts for doctor who were absolute garbage. he got better.

his sax work on 'baker street' still the best thing he ever did tho

I think my primary feeling about this nu-Who era, sight unseen, is that Jodie Whittaker is very brave to take on a role that will likely be, to some extent, a thankless pain in the ass.

I think that's making some really rong assumptions. She has worked with Chibnall before, at length, so it's not as if she doesn't know what it is to have him as a showrunner / director / boss for multiple seasons. And being the first female Doctor is hardly going to be thankless. The worthless gremlins we've been discussing are not the only fans out there.

I am stuck in Frankfurt Flight cancelled and tomorrows flights all booked HELP I need to get back to the UK urgently Any advice welcome

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) October 23, 2022

ah colin, i remember walking past him bawling at his daughter down the street “well what time *will* you be back then?!”

felt he could have solved that question quite easily.

At least the Master didn't tie up the Doctor and monologue at her about his plan, from a separate day's shooting across the room again.

Official BBCS DW website now says the Tennant/Tate run is three 60th Anniversary specials to air in November '23. Assuming no new-year-related double-bluff: from his announcement to his successor's first ep, Chibnall's tally will stand at 31 episodes in 8 years and 11 months. That is, to be fair, more than twice as many as Moffat's 14 in the same era, but they were all in the first two years, and from three standing starts after having left the show twice.

I can’t say it feels particularly great to have a Blsck min announced as the next Doctor, eagerly await his regeneration, and then have David Tennant pop back up and find out it’s an entire year until it’s actually the Blavk actor’s turn

Aside from that this was surprisingly coherent

See also bringing back Graham without Ryan

I bet that was the actor’s choice, Chibnall would have reunited the ICONIC TEAM if he could.

On the subject of ICONIC, I did really enjoy the (admittedly predictable) bit of Ace grabbing her leather jacket and baseball bat from under the floorboards at UNIT. Chibnall being nonsensical in a good way for once.

Would happily give Ace a Sarah Jane-type show on the back of this (although not written by Chibs obvs)

Sophie Alfred was way better as middle-aged Ace than as young Ace, I enjoyed her more in this return than I did in pretty much the entirety of her original tenure.

Janet Fielding was as awesome as she always has been

Dan, it’s over a year until the Tennant run - Gatwa tbc after that.

(Guessing no full series until 2024.)

this may not embed from Sunday morning but

Hey everyone! Want to feel very old? Millie Gibson wasn't even born when they announced Billie Piper was playing Rose Tyler. Happy travels, Millie! #DoctorWho pic.twitter.com/WKEc1zbKcw

— Pip (@pipmadeley) November 18, 2022

really going for the facebook mom crowd there

Then I spent a long time thinking about body-swapping - so the Master becomes the Doctor and vice versa, which would give us Evil David Tennant. That would be fantastic, especially in his swansong. But again, it's predictable. And they'd only end up swapping back. Also, in David's swansong (why's it called a swansong?), I want to see the Doctor, not an evil version. I want him in all his wonderfulness, centre-stage.

RTD, 2009.

I just stumbled across this parody and I cannot stop wheezing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noaMIy_FWsA

"i'm not such the ending is quite as right-wing as the writers meant it to be, it's just that they're dopey and don't pay attention"

is there information out there that McTighe didn't write this himself?

― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic), Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:52 AM (seven years ago)

On watching, I figured this to be a deliberate, savage hand-tip that the story knew exactly how exploitative and empty the promises to do better were. Possibly even that McTighe was poking at Chibnall's recurrent tendency for the Doctor to reinforce injustice and inequality through her inaction, rather than restoring a balance. After a few days*, I think it's probable that he (or whoever?) really didn't think through anything beyond flipping expectations.

Shilling for Amazon (repeatedly) and Uber suggests a possibility that the pro-exploitation ending of Kerblam was rewritten by Chibnall after all.

The Doctor still figuring everything out by googling halfway through the episode and reading the results aloud.

(also how the fuck is this guy in South Africa the Outback supposed to have NBN?)

― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Thursday, January 2, 2020 12:42 PM (six years ago)

possibly McTighe was as confused as everyone else by his last episode airing with a Workers Dying In Amazon Fulfillment Centres (And The Survivors Having Their Pay Halved) Is Good Actually twist ending, and so wrote a very simple childish moral at the beginning & end of this one so that Chibnall would see it at the table read, and it made it all the way through by mistake

― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Monday, February 3, 2020 11:28 PM (six years ago)

I rewatched Oxygen this week. Was dumbfounded at how this program could go from a tight, clever horror story that is explicitly about capitalism hollowing out workers' lives & literally valuing their existence below that of equipment one year, to Kerblam!'s "if Amazon accidentally kill your coworker on the job, then halving your pay is a good compensation bcz you still have a job" as a positive message the next year under Chibnall.

Mathieson also briefly does the same joke as Chibnall's "Tim Shaw" here, except that the point is that Bill is being unthinkingly xenophobic by hearing a foreign name as English, not repeatedly celebrating her for pwning a forrin.

― @oneposter (⛰️) (sic), Thursday, November 12, 2020 2:28 PM (five years ago)

"The two scripts I did for the Jodie era, Chris had heavy influence on those," McTighe says. "Chris wrote the last third of Kerblam" and describes Praxeus as very much a 50-50 story created together. Lucky Day was the first one to feel fully his.

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