Louie (Louis C.K.'s show on FX)

and then the crushing moment (which so many of us recognise) when they were relegated from subject to object, the humiliation of wondering why they had ever thought they might be of intellectual interest to him, or amusing, or seen as an equal,

i've been thinking stuff like this a lot lately. it's crushing. i don't want to talk to any people, really. i'm not even reading the apology because i've run out of care, but i love estela.

haha didn't even notice i copied her word, crushing

Don’t read the apology; it will make you want to puke.

yeah these statements are always so repulsive and obviously disingenuous and at their worst abusive. i mean, "i choose to live now as a gay man" has become the new "my dog ate my homework," you know?

really? as of yet only one person has employed it

still amazed by "i also took advantage of the fact that i was widely admired"

xp i mean as a punchline, a lame excuse, perhaps this joke is exclusive to twitter

still amazed by "i also took advantage of the fact that i was widely admired"

wait Louis said this? in his apology statement?? maybe i should read it... sounds insane

well isn't that the crux of it?

idk haven't read it

Matt Zoller Seitz saw I Love You, Daddy two weeks ago and compared it to a flasher in a raincoat. I think he nailed it:

If there's one thing we know for sure about people who are accused of indecent exposure, it's that the thrill of getting away with it is the true source of their pleasure. This is the movie version of a pervert in a raincoat flashing you, deftly enough that you aren't sure you saw what you saw. In retrospect, much of "Louie" now plays like a dry run for what he'd do on the big screen with "I Love You, Daddy," which leaves the raincoat open while its owner makes eye contact and dares you to deny what's happening. My notes consist of a single sentence: "It's like he's rubbing it in our faces."

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/i-love-you-daddy-2017

One of my Letterboxd friends gave it 4 stars out of 5.

I actually think it's too bad that people may not end up having the option to see ILYD cause I think its particular form of hypocrisy is actually pretty interesting

idk, we always talk about how harassment and sexism is a men's issue and I think part of that should entail looking at failed attempts to wrestle with these issues

I think the cancellation of its release virtually guarantees that the movie will be seen that way by the few people that see it, because they'll have to actively seek it out.

Wait for the Criterion version.

lol, I was just going to make a Heaven's Gate comparison

which, itt, would've been very rude to Heaven's Gate and Michael Cimino

I could see CK's film quietly slipping out on a streaming service within the next year.

not too many stakeholders given it's self funded; he might well decide it's better off not out there

then again I just saw that physical screeners got sent out (presumably right before the story broke) so

i searched the pirate bay for i love you, daddy. i now regret that decision

the fbi has a tracker open just to watch for people like you

Seeing now that Louie is gone from Netflix. Was going to watch Late Show one more time before...

because of you

I have to think celebrities are going to keep spontaneously com-busting like this in public for a good while. It's like when you take the tap off a sewer line, the stench just keeps rising and I got to figure there might be a nigh on endless supply in entertainment, sports, business and politics of people doing bad things behind the curtain to avail.

let me get this straight, louis found space in his statement to apologise to.... dave becky???

louis ck: sorry i whipped my dick out and masturbated in front of you and then covered it up for years and tried to make it go away but now that it's very public and i lost out on money, i am ver sorry

dumbasses: THIS is how you apologize

— chai goth? CHAI goth? chai GOTH? chai goth... (@Abid_ism) November 10, 2017

This is excellent

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/tear-down-the-boys-club-that-protected-louis-ck.html

already posted, keep up!

by horseshoe iirc

Oh my bad..

^^^
THIS is how you apologize

lol

New Yorker review, similar to the Ebert one.

The film, which centers on the sexual machinations of powerful men, reeks of impunity. Like so many of Louis’s standup jokes that purport to skewer the grossness of men, it could only have been made by a person confident that he would never have to answer for the repulsive things he’s long been rumored to have done, let alone be caught—if I may borrow a choice word from the recently disgraced Leon Wieseltier—in a major moment of public “reckoning.”

oooof

China’s fate echoes an intention that Louis has often expressed regarding his own daughters: to cure them of the spoiled upbringing he has given them by refusing them any money when they come of age. He wants them to work for a living, just like he has. Like so many Fathers of Daughters, I guess, he’s counting on them not running into dudes like him on the job.

lolol i was just wondering to myself if he/his show was the first prominent Father of Daughters

I actually think it's too bad that people may not end up having the option to see ILYD cause I think its particular form of hypocrisy is actually pretty interesting

― Simon H., Friday, November 10, 2017 9:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk, we always talk about how harassment and sexism is a men's issue and I think part of that should entail looking at failed attempts to wrestle with these issues

― Simon H., Friday, November 10, 2017 9:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i disagree entirely. imo watching a movie where a serial predator entirely avoids facing the irl issue in favor of a fictional portrayal is not an attempt to "wrestle with these issues" it's the complete opposite. what we are doing now, discussing this career fallout, this is addressing the issue, head-on. tho i dunno maybe if you watch this movie with enough nodding and chin stroking you magically unlock the answer.

fwiw i don't find it interesting at all. it's not even novel, this shit happens everywhere in every industry. this is a symptom of the sickness of patriarchy. just because this guy tells jokes and does it with the trappings of art (black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!) doesn't make this meaningful in any way.

oh no, people aren't going to see the inner workings of this brilliant guy who had a career basically indulging his every whim, what a loss to culture

also the more i think about his bullshit apology the more i dislike it. he spends more time patting himself on the back for being admirable and powerful than anything. also im not sure i believe his accounts that yeah it was all cool and consensual cos the mf has been straight up lying about this for years why tf would he be telling the truth now?

I don't think things need to be defensible to be interesting or to reflect something about the moment in which they were produced, and I don't think CK's issues are restricted just to him

" also im not sure i believe his accounts that yeah it was all cool and consensual" did he say that?

He has finally stated that (rough paraphrase) he had maybe convinced himself at the time that it was consensual, because of the power differential, etc, he knows now it wasn't. The statement in pitchfork is the most complete I've read (linked above, I think).

if he/his show was the first prominent Father of Daughters

the staple plot of Father Knows Best (late 50s?) was daddy giving guidance to his "princess"

i have watched Father Knows Best and I don't think the two shows are comparable, nor are the portrayals of fatherhood.

this is a symptom of the sickness of patriarchy. just because this guy tells jokes and does it with the trappings of art (black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!) doesn't make this meaningful in any way.
so otm

so many ways to be creative and express difficult ideas -- and I Love You Daddy is what he chose
yikes

xp - not very comparable in terms of portrayal, sure, but FKB qualifies as "prominent" and was very heavy on the Father of Daughter element, so it does meet the only two criteria mentioned.

I cannot believe I am typing all this out but here goes: FKB was about his whole family. There were episodes about everyone. Like The Cosby Show or zillions of other family sitcoms. Louie (from what I remember of it) is all about Louie. His daughters come and go, in his life to stress him out and give him a way to experience human feelings. That's not the same as a family sitcom aside from him having daughters.

"(black and white! new york city! jazz soundtrack!)"

the woody allen fetishism is so weird given the circumstances. takes one to know one, i guess.

So, ILX, you've heard the arguments. Now you get to decide!

Louie. First prominent Father of Daughter television show, or not? We'll take your answers in the order they arrive. Or you can drop us a postcard instead.

i actually stopped watching that seth macfarlane sci-fi show when he cast charlize theron as his love interest in an episode. the whole wish-fulfillment casting thing is so gross. no offense to charlize for taking the part. it just bugged me. he's not even an actor. such a huge vanity/ego thing.