US Politics November 2017

fuck that

marcos otm

http://www.businessinsider.com/devin-nunes-michael-flynn-turkey-russia-2017-11

I do kinda feel that way! I know a few 80yo and I don't really want them running the country either, no matter how cool they are. And I have a lot of issues with Biden's past positions, judgment etc. which just compounds it. He gives good speeches nowadays, why doesn't he just stick to that.

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Vs Trump? I mean, I think he could win, but I don't know if that makes it a good idea. Right now they are cultivating plenty of potential candidates, but I don't know how many of them are household names yet.

donated to Doug Jones just yesterday and have already received two emails asking for money.

The thing is, they do this because ... it works. And I want them to have the money. So I just grit my teeth and accept it (and use a non-primary gmail address for campaign contributions.)

Basically, considering people like Biden for '20 is illustrative of a little Dem Voice in the Head: "We're gonna blow it again." And who can dismiss that?

(the funny part is that they consider picking a famous vet as a safe move rather than inviting a rerun of The Most Experienced Candidate Ever)

I wish there were a way to donate to Doug Jones so that I get the money.

Biden is a terrible idea and no one takes it seriously

Lol @ Biden having any chance whatsoever of getting past the first couple rounds of primaries if he was running against anyone other than maybe Cuomo

But hey it’s an excuse to wail about how much we hate our own party so sure why not

good lord do we have to resurrect his pervy pictures and statements in the current environment?

didn't say anything about DSA :)

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xpost It's fine, I want them to have money. But I literally just gave them money, and when I get several asks right after I feel like my first donation has not even been acknowledged. (Look what happened to Move On, from a progressive prime mover to a spam generator.) Like, the Jones campaign just sent me an email that asked me to take a survey, but it was a stealth ask for more money that concluded with only two options: donate $5, or donate more. So I wasted my time filling out the survey, thinking I was helping with something, and ended feeling like they were trying to scam me.

I think it would be reasonable for any of the following Democrats to run for President:

Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Tim Kaine
Julian Castro
Amy Klobuchar
Deval Patrick
Tammy Duckworth
Tom Perez
Keith Ellison
Donna Brazile oops, sorry
Kirsten Gillibrand

This is by no means an exhaustive list.

but but but Booker's BIG PHARMA TIES

I've argued Gilibrand for awhile, she's definitely got friends in the right places. I don't see Booker making it. Kamala Harris seems to have loads of fans.

Tim Kaine loves the Replacements, he gets my vote.

I really want it to be Tammy Duckworth

Al Franken

I'm Team Kamala at the moment but am fine w most of those (Booker is an exception, that guy is irritating; Kaine is a charisma vacuum). Tammy would be my second pick. also lol @ leaving out Elizabeth Warren.

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Mario Cuomo

xpost Well that's part of the problem, isn't it? It'll be a campaign of attrition, a la Trump's, but unlike the GOP the Dems will end totally divided on the final choice after viciously burning through so many favorites.

would absolutely *love* to vote for Al Franken but idk his appeal seems... limited

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but unlike the GOP the Dems will end totally divided on the final choice after viciously burning through so many favorites.

somehow I don't think the Dem primary will be anywhere near as vicious as the '16 GOP primaries

Tell it to Bernie fans.

Of those I would love a president Duckworth or Gillibrand, as long as their seats remain blue.

I mean, the Donna Brazile bs ... it's been a year and people are still pissed or making new enemies or settling scores.

I left out Warren and Franken because if one of the things we dislike about Trump is his age and one of the things we complain about in the Democrats is propping up elders and not cultivating younger candidates for the Presidency, we should probably not put people in their mid-to-late 60s on the shortlist.

Trump's age is probably the least bad thing about him.

" ... *and* he's old!"

i would quit my job in a heartbeat to work for some combo of Booker/Franken/Harris

Franken gave a fairly clear answer about 2020 a few weeks ago. Not some dodgy "I'm focused on the people in Minnesota" thing, but a carved in stone "no."

I like the idea of having any and all of those people considered. And some we haven't mentioned or don't even know about yet. We could have one of those, whadyacallem, "primary election" thingies to find out who's the best pick. Not interested in ruling anyone out at this time due to some purity issue or other.

But yeah, Biden can go away.

I routinely forget Kaine exists until someone else brings him up and I suspect I am far from alone in this

his appeal seems... limited

not as limited as keith ellison's, i suspect

i want a booker-cuomo ticket just to see how bitter morbz gets

Gabbard, O'Malley

I routinely forget Kaine exists until someone else brings him up and I suspect I am far from alone in this

― Simon H., Friday, November 10, 2017

There was a story about his wife looking around the house and noticing Tim had been sitting in the den reading the paper since 2002.

Booker is a literal con man, as p4reene has written, so yeah i figure he'll win

uh given the last week's events you guys might want to consider the possible costs of nominating a comedy writer from the '70s

Kaine is a fucking invertebrate

Kaine over O'Malley on a list is rude

otm imo

Kaine is family friends with one of my college friends, who is a black linguist who specializes in teaching AAVE. She talks about him a LOT.

Fuck Tulsi Gabbard. If she gets anywhere near sniffing the nomination, and no one ousts Trump on the other side, and the general is between the two of them, I'd consider suicide.

huh yeah I figured Franken probably wouldn't want to do it, but a man can dream

every time Booker opens his mouth I feel like shouting MENDACITY like a Tennessee Williams character. But the last year has been so horrid that I'll take Tim Fucking Kaine even if we have to stick him in a wheelchair, give him a cigarette holder, and call him Franklin.

xxp wait what's your beef there? genuinely curious.

Whole list is questionable, nothing but pols with suspicious links to the Democratic party.

As loathe as I am to link to anything at Paste, this is the best summary of Tulsi Gabbard's bullshit.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/11/tulsi-gabbard-is-not-who-you-think-she-is.html

yea that lists mostly sucks and a lot of them would lose to trump imo

I really want it to be Tammy Duckworth

god I don't want to imagine Trump coming up with a "funny" nickname for her

I don't think Warren could beat Trump