Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Canon schmanon! I like that there are all these different versions of twin peaks that openly contradict each other, I just think this latest version is particularly dull and I'm happy to dismiss it out of hand. It's just v nothingy; pure bathos, no magic. A couple of nice passages but for the most part Tammy's disquisitions are as bland as her reportage - the most the book approaches being fun are the couple of times he slips into the voice of a character who actually has one (log lady, Albert).

I like the annie gag mainly because it seems designed to wind up the people who genuinely think that the question "how's annie?" was itself a mystery that needed to be solved & the main cliffhanger of s2

looking forward to reading this part, even though i think the scene in the missing pieces is the perfect way for her character to exit the world of twin peaks

It's basically a macabre dadjoke but I lold

Oh man both the scenes graham filmed for fwwm give me goosebumps; lynch really knew how to make good use of the character (such as it is) & her glassy stare

The differing approaches of Lynch and Frost to the same basic material is a good illustration of how a narrative artist's style is dictated by where they decide to stop (e.g. editing a scene, deciding what constitutes an ending, etc.).

"it explained everything to point that it ruined the mystery of the show" well, maybe it does, or maybe it just supports all the thoughts most people already had about the show.

I'm not saying I love it, I'm just saying I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

,the one thing I think is consistently weird is that both frost and lynch maintain that they just didn't even really think about Annie while writing the return. Like, really? The character never once came up? c'mon

they just assumed her character was... fine where they left it

Nothing has ruined or could ruin the show imo

Re annie, they clearly thought about her enough that her message to Laura got a slight return in the return, just as lynch always said it would if the series ever continued. I believe that they're not that interested in her as a character tho and that her storyline was complete

xp exactly

I will abstain from reading these books even though I'm curious because my memory of my experience of The Return is quite simply, perfect, and I want to continue to enjoy it on those terms.

this is really great so far https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/david-lynchs-late-style/

artforum had a good review of the Return (by dennis lim, author of the recently published "David Lynch"), but it's behind a paywall

I thought of the return ito "late style" a bit during its run, it came up briefly on the Diane podcast recently too - will read the larb thing later for sure

Really haven't read much on the series apart from the Bocko recaps & both rennebaum pieces, don't think I'll ever really wade into the cottage industry of fan analysis (that 25 years later site for example, never clicked on it but I think it must publish at least one article a day)

xp wish I'd known, is it in the current issue? always looking for an excuse to buy a big ol' magazine to flip through

yep, current issue. it also has an unintentionally hilarious feature on the future of VR and art

I'd be skeptical but the art/experimental space is a decent barometer for reading where mainstream stuff will be in a half dozen years

tons of AR stuff in art spaces seven or eight years ago

this is really great so far https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/david-lynchs-late-style/

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)

this was excellent, thanks!

Final Dossier is such a joyless piece of shit, whytf didn't I trust my instinct and not read it.

i've also been kinda nervous to share this but i wrote about og twin peaks, fwwm, the return, vertigo, and zulawski's possession a few months ago. mild spoilers for possession which is a movie i don't think you can really spoil: http://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/2017/09/27/im-not-me/

I thought I linked that in here at some point? it's so great!!

Hi all, it was quite an experience watching the last three episodes on a gray, rainy afternoon the other day. Still processing everything but I loved the tone that the finale struck, and it's definitely stayed with me.

I haven't quite finished the thread but have been enjoying going through it during a lot of music-related downtime over the last few days (waiting to soundcheck, bouncing down stems, etc).

Random banal thought - watching that old SNL parody that was posted upthread, it's weirdly prescient about some of the themes of The Return (Cooper not being able to leave Laura's murder alone after the end of the story, or the audience not being able to do so, his methods creating more problems than they're solving, etc).!

Good point! Also the Las Vegas mention

Oh yeah totally

Man, I have to say that waggish piece posted upthread is very compelling. I read it before bed and it infiltrated my dreams.

Along these lines although much more minor, I don't see any good reason at all to think the drunk in the jail cell is billy

It's extra-textual, but I'm like 99% certain that my closed captions credited his dialogue as "Billy".

he may as well be Billy really. why not I say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxyTPpPrhE

i hope there's 3 hours of that on the boxset

my review copy should be arriving on monday :)

I got mine just now. I haven't rewatched any of it so I'm looking forward to that.

mine theoretically arrives tomorrow, fingers crossed

Mine too, I'm psyched to watch the bts features so will prob jump straight to that although the urge to rewatch in bluray quality will be strong. Cool as it is to see lynch at work I'm hoping for some oddities as well (also ymmv but eg every time lynch calls dern "tidbit" I cringe my way to an early grave)

needs soup-making tutorial

In fact just one HDS singing a song extra would be worth the price

Were parts 3+4 presented as a 'feature' on TV? Because they are on the set...

they premiered together, yes

Wait, so they can’t be played separately? Is that the same for 1 & 2?

No, they can be played seperately. It's 1,2,1+2, for example, as choices.

ah ty

Anyway, for some reason I misremembered it as the the first two and the last two that were united. Never mind.

3 and 4 were made available to stream the night 1 and 2 were "broadcast," then played individually on Showtime on weeks 2 and 3.

Yeah first 4 all dropped at the same time for streaming audience (ie almost everyone)

I personally found 3 the most confounding episode at the time. Dropping 4 at the same time was probably smart to indicate the rest of the series would not be quite so disorienting.

*might* not be quite so disorienting

3 was my favorite episode of the series. Wild visuals, kinetic pacing, suspenseful as hell. I remember thinking "holy shit if this show can keep up this momentum this is going to be the greatest thing I've ever watched"

Those fucks at Amazon ran out before they shipped my copy of the box set.

They're at it again

3 was amazing

My favorite moments in Lynch projects tend to be the ones that tease all the crazy imaginative directions the narrative ~could~ take. The actual payoffs, for all their merit, usually aren't half as fun as the ones I begin to imagine in my head so yeah it's hard to top all the amazing possibilities those first few episodes teases

I personally found 3 the most confounding episode at the time. Dropping 4 at the same time was probably smart to indicate the rest of the series would not be quite so disorienting.

yeah, that was the going theory at the time. not sure if it was ever confirmed by any showtime execs, but it makes sense. 3 is a contender for my favorite episode (all the stuff with the purple world was so eraserhead-y that my heart nearly exploded), but you could just imagine it alienating a third of the viewing audience even as it happened.