If I had heard that years ago, I'd wonder what belief stops him from jerking off in private.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
i really do hope his career is over.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
it won't be
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
yeah the problem w/ the gawker thing was that they published it without having talked to any of the victims, witnesses, or louis ck. they wrote "we heard this rumor can anyone confirm that for us"
that's v different from the NYT sop
― Mordy, Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:15 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark
the victims were too scared to talk, louis wouldn't say anything (and hasn't to anyone still), but we had a source who they spoke to immediately after, and who had received communications from louis attempting to apologize for his behavior. the bones of the times' exact story was there. i get why people had adverse reactions to the story but i was confident in it for a reason. i believed at the time that putting a story like that out into the world was worthwhile, and i think that's been borne out now. debating the ethos of a dead site is pretty useless but i take it as vindication that what i wrote was close enough to what the times published that they felt it necessary to link to it in their story. and for what it's worth -- and i alluded to this once in this thread before -- i was referred to sources in the times' story directly by a very well known hollywood person, and the sources point blank told that person "if we speak publicly about this our careers will be over." i'm happy they no longer feel that way.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
as far as continuing to be a fan of this guy, there are plenty of talented and smart famous artists who don't do shit like Louis CK has done (though there are plenty less who don't do it then we probably assume!)
at least there are probably a few internet macros that can replace his sincere talk show moments.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
i appreciate your work there, J0rdan
i think this vs Mel Gibson is a bit different, in that Gibson's can unfortunately be easily chalked up by many to drunken rants or alcoholism or whatever.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
the English took his land iirc
― piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
monday morning quarterbacking the now-vindicated gawker story seems really weird given the fact that i seriously doubt today's NYT story would have even happened had the gawker story not happened first
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
Will Jen Kirkman speak out and how are all of Louis' angry guy fellow comedians going to treat this?
Though he apologized for his one time comment to me, I will no longer casually call Louie a friend. I can't support what I now KNOW are his contributions to the power dynamic in this business.— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) November 9, 2017
I was fucked over many times by Jezebel and the Daily Beast. People saying I said things I didn't say. If you want to choose not to believe me, great. But this is why women don't talk about ANYTHING. So I'm done. The end.— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) November 9, 2017
(more on her twitter)
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
https://jezebel.com/on-rumors-1820301960
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
Gibson's can unfortunately be easily chalked up by many to drunken rants or alcoholism or whatever.
He also took a plea deal after he allegedly assaulted his girlfriend
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
i sortof wonder if part of why hes gone to some alternative distribution models (selling specials, horace & pete, etc) thru his own website or w/e is cuz he saw this coming & wanted to get as much $ as possible while he could; its incredibly foreseeable now that netflix, fx, etc may cut all ties
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
I know this is a sidetrack but everything I've read about the Arbuckle case points pretty conclusively towards his innocence
― Number None, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:43 (six years ago) link
yeah idk Anger didn't do a forensic analysis or anything
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
I wonder if what happens in episode 5 of the new season of One Mississippi is... well, "inspired by" doesn't seem like the right phrase, but... about Louis CK?
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
I tried to watch that show but it was a bit too low-key/laugh free
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
I also kinda feel like Louie's core audience is more likely to care about this stuff enough to abandon him than Gibson's.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 9 November 2017 22:55 (six years ago) link
does gibson really have a 'core audience' anyway
― akm, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
of course he does!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
they're called "Deplorables" iirc
anyway, looks like Louis' movie is gonna get ditched: http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Louis-CK-Film-Release-Under-Careful-12345365.php
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
C.K. plays a successful Hollywood type whose 17-year-old daughter starts a sexual relationship with an esteemed director in his 60s (many critics out of TIFF likened the character, played by John Malkovich, to Woody Allen). C.K.’s character has to weigh his lifelong admiration for the character against his child’s innocence.
lol it's like.. does he? really? huh
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
if there's any type of story that really speaks to me it's stories about successful Hollywood types and their moral confusion.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
mel gibson is billed above title in a christmas comedy this yeartwo days ago he walked out of Australian breakfast radio promo for this (in LA) and threw such a rage tantrum bcz his car wasn't outside, that the hosts immediately talked on air about him being "a bit mad"
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
feel like the more he's in the public eye, the sooner he's likely to be ostracised for cause again
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
BUT WE WILL BLOOOWW HIIIM FIRST
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 10 November 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
So, that Louis CK film has been iced for reasons other than LCK's behavior, is what it looks like.
― Mark G, Friday, 10 November 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link
you all have no principles, good lord
― sleepingbag, Friday, 10 November 2017 01:03 (six years ago) link
this should be good
― k3vin k., Friday, 10 November 2017 01:07 (six years ago) link
― Mark G, Thursday, November 9, 2017 6:31 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
has it though
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 10 November 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
feel free to say what those reasons are... any time now
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 November 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link
this is really fd up to do to someone. this is fd up behavior to do to a co worker. what the f is wrong with this person? this is not respectful behavior.
https://i.imgur.com/PLkvJ70l.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 November 2017 02:03 (six years ago) link
There is one bit of one of his stand up that I don't remember 100% well and where he talks about he is always thinking about sex and see a librarian and immediately thinks of nasty sex stuff. At a dinner a week later, half of my friends where like 'oh yeah i'm totally like that' and how it seemed like every male person I knew was a psychotic sex addict maniac.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 November 2017 02:44 (six years ago) link
In that same bit he talks about how women wouldn't understand or empathize [with men's depraved sexual fantasies] which is so not otm
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, 10 November 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link
With all this stuff I'm honestly starting to think men are all just driven around by their dicks and cant control it. Wanking like monkeys. It is depressing as fuck.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 10 November 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
a) to a surprising extent, yes. maybe not that surprisingb) no
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 November 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
A lot of it comes down to making a conscious effort to be something other than a slavering, id-driven maniac. Becoming a properly socialized person takes some work and honest reflection, and some people aren't going to see the value in doing the work until and unless not doing the work impacts them adversely.
― Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
good post Lunch
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
A lot of it comes down to making a conscious effort to be something other than a slavering, id-driven maniac. Becoming a properly socialized person takes some work and honest reflection, and some people aren't going to see the value in doing the work until and unless /not/ doing the work impacts them adversely.
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link
I think not sexually assaulting people comes rather easy to most of us. There has probably been effort and reflection involved, however, in fine-tuning my speech and rhetoric so that no one is unintentionally offended or made to feel uncomfortable
― ur-oik (rip van wanko), Friday, 10 November 2017 03:46 (six years ago) link
I think not sexually assaulting people comes rather easy to most of us.
Yep. The idea that this is just "how men are" has to be resisted. It is not how men are. It is not how men act whenever they can get away with it. It is how men act and are when something is badly wrong with them.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:00 (six years ago) link
A lot of it comes down to making a conscious effort to be something other than a slavering, id-driven maniac.
It seems obvious now that Louis CK legitimized being a slavering id-driven maniac throughout his series and stand ups.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 November 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
Individuals and the people who raise them need to stop pretending that e.g. empathy, respect for the autonomy and personhood of others, etc. are things that will just work themselves out. People who came before us put a lot of thought and work into figuring out what this whole 'civilization' thing should entail, and we can't ride on their coattails and pretend that everyone just naturally gets it. Because clearly not everyone naturally gets it.
― Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:07 (six years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:06 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Did it? I felt like he spoke a more ambitious game than he lived
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 10 November 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link
feel like the common literary/movie trope of "girl rejects boy but eventually succumbs to his nonstop harassment" has done more harm than good
― frogbs, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
maniac dick-see dream boy
― "the fgti incident?" (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
Isn't his standup more about the clash between his Id and his superego, and how exhausting the constant battle is?Which makes it more disappointing that he (allegedly?) behaves like this in real life.
― 29 facepalms, Friday, 10 November 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
xp - oh wow, i don't need to feel like that -- i know that
think about that creepy douche with the poster board and how many people must have tried that shitbarf
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
chemical castration ftw
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 November 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link