Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

yuck. im fine w ignoring Louis. don't care how good of an artist you are or how much you are fighting the man or whatever. im not gonna support that kind of behavior. his "art" was seemingly about vulnerability and honest self-examination yet this entire situation is the opposite of that. he's just coming across as a massive hack.

funny how the NYT broke just as we were discussing Louis, weird

I do feel bad for Charlie Day :(

Feel worse for the women Louis messed with, obviously

funny how the NYT broke just as we were discussing Louis, weird

― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:27 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we were discussing him cos his premiere got pulled cos it was about to break

Since Charlie Chaplin married/impregnated 3 women before they were 18, can we impute "questionable ideas about women" to him?

absolutely imo

fwiw I'm not saying men in the present day shouldn't pay the price for this shit in the 'marketplace' and otherwise

forget i mentioned philip roth
i wouldn't have thought of him at all if he hadn't been mentioned above

(aside: i left a paper grocery bag with a handful of philip roth books near an elevator once -- i wrote FREE on the bag -- and then saw on facebook that i guy i work with found them and posted "i found a bag of philip roth books by the elevator but i'm afraid to touch them" and i loled because he didn't know who had left them there)

anyway i am surprised by how clueless louis ck is and how his stupid woody allen homage movie even got made at all. it sounds awful.

He made it with his own money, so.

this one hits hard for me tbh; Louis had done such a good job of thriving outside the corporate system and has so consistently produced funny or at least consistently interesting work. So much of his persona (including the regular, clearly personally written emails to his list) is about connecting with you as a genuine person; it's just depressing that this is the payoff.

but not to mention, isn't Woody Allen coming out with some ridiculous movie about a teen seducing her mother's boyfriend? i mean....

xp

A lot of you might remember that about two years ago, I created a series called Horace and Pete (still available at louisck.net). I paid for that show myself. When I did it, I told myself that I was parting with the money forever. It wasn’t an investment. It was a 4.5 million dollar grant to the "Make whatever the fuck I want" Foundation.
By that approach, I was able to make and roll out the show exactly the way I saw it, the way I wanted the audience (you) to see it, without any concern for commerce or profit.
In the end, the show made all the money back and more (with zero advertising) through website sales, and through licensing it to HULU, I was able to actually make a sizable profit for me and the actors and some of the crew, who own a piece of the show. That was a pretty good result.
So this year, I decided, I got the money back, I can throw it away again. This time to the "Make a Black and White Movie about a Shitty Father foundation.”
All that to say, that I want to really thank all of you who bought Horace and Pete because you gave me the freedom to make this movie.

Does Chaplin's art involve underage women? Not to have that whole art vs artist discussion, and everyone is going to draw their own lines, but personally it's a big factor for me (for ex. I can listen to Miles Davis and not think about his violence toward women, but would understand if others couldn't...it's a lot harder to do that with comedians who talk about their own lives).

woody still has a series on Amazon (that no one has watched). at what point is the industry going to stop giving him a break?

He made it with his own money, so.
geez he was that committed to this terrible idea?! of all the imaginative premises he could pursue, that's the movie he made with his own money? laaaaaaaaaame

also you are otm about music vs confessional personal standup comedy

Woody still makes money so, never

xp

Does Chaplin's art involve underage women?

iirc he included at least one of these underage women in his films? Morbz correct me if I'm wrong here, I forget

yeah the separate the art from the artist thing is particularly difficult in CK's case

i don't watch old ass silent movies anyway fuck charlie chaplin

*overdone facial expressions*
*walk weirdly fast*
*tinkly piano music*

In most of Chaplin's films the heroine is simply The Girl (as was common in silent films), and obviously the lack of explicit sexuality in that era made the "underage" factor less obviously relevant. Paulette Goddard (wife #3) plays a girlish "gamin" in Modern Times, and she seems to be his romantic partner by the fadeout, but The Tramp didn't really seem to have an age (CC played him from 25 to 47 if my math is right). Also Goddard was in her mid 20s, so she was just playing younger.

yeah well upp miss, fuck yr cable-TV standup heroes

at what point is the industry going to stop giving him a break?

when he's convicted of something?

I love several Roth novels but haven't wanted to reread him.

in one night ums has destroyed adult animation and buster keaton

not to turn this thread into a referendum on philip roth but i think that description maybe does his work a disservice

iirc claire bloom called roth a misogynist after their breakup; i never heard of any specific incidents

not that his work is without merit, but the sheer relentlessness of writing sexually fucked-up protagonists -- several of whom are named 'philip roth' -- for half a century makes him pretty suspect to me

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time? worth remembering he was born in the 1880s, p much a different universe in every way to our own. i mean child labor wasn't even banned till the late 30s.

"when he's convicted of something?"

weinstein, spacey, cosby, et all haven't been convicted of anything.

xp mores were different back then. eugenics was hip

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time?

there were some scandalous legal proceedings, so yes

Adam otm that everyone should read Hollywood Babylon imo

did we ever talk about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/31/tippi-hedren-alfred-hitchcock-sexually-assaulted-me

weinstein, spacey, cosby, et all haven't been convicted of anything.

their crimes also don't bear much resemblance to what Allen's been accused of imo

also gimme a break ums Modern Times alone is an incredible film! wtf

Louis C.K.’s publicist, Lewis Kay

I..

I think UMS was just joking.

Chaplin wife #1, Mildred Harris, was an actress in other films, not his. Wife #2, Lita Grey, did 3 of his films, before and after their affair/marriage. He married Oona O'Neill (not an actress) as soon as she turned 18.

The 16-year-old Harris met actor Charlie Chaplin in mid-1918, dated, and came to believe she was pregnant by him, but the pregnancy was found to be a false alarm. They married privately on October 23, 1918, in Los Angeles. She subsequently did become pregnant.[3] The couple quarreled about her contract with Louis B. Mayer and her career. Chaplin felt she was not his intellectual equal. Their child Norman Spencer died in July 1919, at only three days of age,[4][5] and the couple separated in the autumn of 1919.

Grey married four times. By her own account, she first met Charlie Chaplin at the age of eight at a Hollywood café and first worked with him at the age of twelve in the part of the “flirting angel” in The Kid.[3] She appeared briefly as a maid in The Idle Class. Her one-year contract was not renewed. At the age of fifteen she met Chaplin again when she heard he was testing brunettes for his The Gold Rush.[4] They had an affair and she suspected she had become pregnant by the then-thirty-five-year-old Chaplin. As he could have been imprisoned for having sexual relations with a minor, they married that November in secret in Empalme, Sonora, Mexico to avoid a scandal. They had two sons, Charles Chaplin Jr. (1925–1968) and Sydney Chaplin (1926–2009).

I was a huge fan of Louis -saw two live shows, watched & enjoyed both tv shows, cried during the Maron two-parter, the whole nine.

But when Jen Kirkman “outed” him, I started to back away. I had never heard any of the rumors before then.

since then, I havent watched or heard him talk hardly at all. i just flipped the switch to NOPE.

Sometimes I can separate art from behavior, but this is all of a piece for him & he’s clearly made a career out of what is apparently deeply troubling sexual dysfunction

I’m not surprised, I’m not shook.. this one, I’m 100% ready for.

^ yup

All the white guys going "oh man, not Louis CK" now have some idea of how bougie black America felt when the Bill Cosby shit began to hit the fan.

VG OTM

FTR i am just winding you up about cartoons and silent movies...

i have enjoyed CK as a comedian, didn't really take to the show though...but now i can't see engaging w/anything he's done

his last special had a real dark suicidal vibe to it IMO i don't even want to speculate what weird realms of delusion/self-destructiveness/hubris drove him to do this film that was clearly going to destroy him, but you know what? sounds like he destroyed people too just like all these men

Awful thread, but the next step in the national conversation.

when's the first time a man jerked off in front of you without your consent?

I'll go first: when I was 12, a man on the L train jerked off in front of me and my friends

— eve peyser (@evepeyser) November 9, 2017

I’m not surprised, I’m not shook.. this one, I’m 100% ready for.

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:56 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pretty much this. I loved his show on FX, my partner and I eagerly awaited every standup special...and after reading the Jen Kirkman stuff, it was, ok, no, he's just a fucking low-life creep.

I'm fairly sure (based on a lot of things) he has legit issues but he also clearly didn't feel the need to actually deal with them or be accountable in any way

Tangentially, I'm hearing rumours that Campaign magazine has been gathering information on certain powerful people involved with UK advertising, past and present, which unsurprisingly has been a breeding ground for misogyny and bad behaviour, much like Mad Men portrayed in the US.

he also clearly didn't feel the need to actually deal with them or be accountable in any way

he probably considers his work "dealing" with it

DJP, I don't doubt it... and, though i get your point as being race related, it should be noted that this bougie white guy stand up fan of a certain age felt the same way hearing about Cosby!

UMS, Louis' last special actually ended with him explicitly saying that suicide was never justifiable as things tend to eventually get better iirc

^^^ yes that's probably correct xp

Tangentially, I'm hearing rumours that Campaign magazine has been gathering information on certain powerful people involved with UK advertising, past and present, which unsurprisingly has been a breeding ground for misogyny and bad behaviour, much like Mad Men portrayed in the US.

― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:06 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh heaven forfend Charles Satchel has been doing even worse stuff than the stuff we know about

were chaplin's marriages controversial at the time?

Eugene O'Neill found the third one fairly controversial.

^fourth one

totally loved Cosby as a kid and teen -- the LPs more than the TV stuff -- but i bailed on the blockbuster sitcom fairly early cuz it froze its style in place pretty quickly, and i quit watching sitcoms in general (w/ few exceptions) around '84. Then I heard the 'he's a jerk' stories from comedy people, and then...

Sorry, miscounted my Charlie Chaplin child brides.

Paulette Goddard was the fully adult one you skipped