US Politics November 2017

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I am pretty sure I still have relatives I haven't met yet who live there so no

the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)

I spent some time in Birmingham once, was nice. One of the best civil rights museums I've ever visited, and elsewhere I toured a haunted abandoned steel factory.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

I wish y'all would stop posting WaPo stories that many of us can't read!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:07 (eight years ago)

no "if"

The allegations against Roy Moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying. He should immediately step aside and allow the people of Alabama to elect a candidate they can be proud of.

— John McCain (@SenJohnMcCain) November 9, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

it's just mind blowing that if this dude doesn't step down he still has a chance of winning after he has demonstrated to be worse than scum

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

why can't you read them? xxp

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

paywall

Moodles, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

xpost

A growing chorus of Senate Republicans including Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have called on Senate candidate Roy Moore to withdraw from a special election in Alabama in the wake of allegations that the former judge initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl nearly four decades ago.

“If these allegations are true, he must step aside,” McConnell said in a formal statement on behalf of all Republican senators.

Other Republican senators weighing in included Jeff Flake of Arizona, David Perdue of Georgia, John Thune of South Dakota, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Cory Gardner of Colorado, Richard C. Shelby of Alabama and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Under Alabama state law, the ballot cannot be changed within 76 days of an election, which in this case is scheduled for Dec. 12. But a candidate can still withdraw or a state party can request a state judge or the secretary of state to disqualify a candidate from the race.

In the event of either disqualification or withdrawal, the appropriate state canvassing boards would not certify any votes cast for Moore.

“It’s understandable why you would set your deadline so far in advance,” said Derek Muller, a professor at Pepperdine Law School. “We have so much early voting. We have so much overseas voting.”

Alabama state law does allow write-in votes to be cast in general elections, as long as the names are for living people and written in without using a rubber stamp or stick-on label. Muller said Sen. Luther Strange (R-Ala.), who lost in the primary to Moore, would be an eligible write-in candidate.

The Washington Post published an extensive report Thursday describing Moore’s relationships with the then-14-year-old and three other girls he pursued when they were between the ages of 16 and 18.

None of the women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls.

Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

McConnell’s inner circle spent late Thursday morning discussing the repercussions and how Republicans should move forward — and grousing that if Strange, their preferred candidate in the primary, was still the nominee, they would not be answering questions about Moore’s conduct.

“If it’s true, the Republican Party doesn’t have any place for pedophiles and he should step down immediately,” said Josh Holmes, a longtime McConnell confidant and his former chief of staff. “Steve Bannon is responsible,” he added about the McConnell foil and former White House chief strategist, for enabling candidates such Moore who are out of the GOP mainstream.

That view was shared by Scott Reed, a political strategist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, who opposed Moore’s nomination. “Here we go — another Steve Bannon special,” Reed said.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

just open it in an incognito window

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

It's a good paper, you should subscribe.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

I wish y'all would stop posting WaPo stories that many of us can't read!

sometimes you can "slip through the window" by "going incognito" in "private mode", if you know what i mean

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

;)

marcos, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler, a Moore backer: "Even if you accept the Washington Post’s report as being completely true, it’s much ado about very little. " #ALSEN #alpolitics

— Brian Lyman (@lyman_brian) November 9, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.

It was early 1979 and Moore — now the Republican nominee in Alabama for a U.S. Senate seat — was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. He struck up a conversation, Corfman and her mother say, and offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside for a child custody hearing.

“He said, ‘Oh, you don’t want her to go in there and hear all that. I’ll stay out here with her,’ ” says Corfman’s mother, Nancy Wells, 71. “I thought, how nice for him to want to take care of my little girl.”

Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear.

“I wanted it over with — I wanted out,” she remembers thinking. “Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over.” Corfman says she asked Moore to take her home, and he did.

Two of Corfman’s childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

Wendy Miller says she was 14 and working as a Santa’s helper at the Gadsden Mall when Moore first approached her, and 16 when he asked her on dates, which her mother forbade. Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when Moore spoke to her high school civics class and asked her out on the first of several dates that did not progress beyond kissing. Gloria Thacker Deason says she was an 18-year-old cheerleader when Moore began taking her on dates that included bottles of Mateus Rosé wine. The legal drinking age in Alabama was 19.

Of the four women, the youngest at the time was Corfman, who is the only one who says she had sexual contact with Moore that went beyond kissing. She says they did not have intercourse.

In a written statement, Moore denied the allegations.

“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign,” Moore, now 70, said.

The campaign said in a subsequent statement that if the allegations were true they would have surfaced during his previous campaigns, adding “this garbage is the very definition of fake news.”

According to campaign reports, none of the women have donated to or worked for Moore’s Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, or his rivals in the Republican primary, including Sen. Luther Strange, whom he defeated this fall in a runoff election.

Corfman, 53, who works as a customer service representative at a payday loan business, says she has voted for Republicans in the past three presidential elections, including for Donald Trump in 2016. She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them. She also was concerned that her background — three divorces and a messy financial history — might undermine her credibility.

“There is no one here that doesn’t know that I’m not an angel,” Corfman says, referring to her home town of Gadsden.

Corfman described her story consistently in six interviews with The Post. The Post confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records. Moore’s office was down the hall from the courtroom.

Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

“I have prayed over this,” Corfman says, explaining why she decided to tell her story now. “All I know is that I can’t sit back and let this continue, let him continue without the mask being removed.”

This account is based on interviews with more than 30 people who said they knew Moore between 1977 and 1982, when he served as an assistant district attorney for Etowah County in northern Alabama, where he grew up.

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Moore was 30 and single when he joined the district attorney’s office, his first government job after attending the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, serving in Vietnam, graduating from law school and working briefly as a lawyer in private practice in Gadsden, the county seat.

By his account, chronicled in his book “So Help Me God,” Moore spent his time as a prosecutor convicting “murderers, rapists, thieves and drug pushers.” He writes that it was “around this time that I fashioned a plaque of The Ten Commandments on two redwood tablets.”

“I believed that many of the young criminals whom I had to prosecute would not have committed criminal acts if they had been taught these rules as children,” Moore writes.

Outside work, Moore writes that he spent his free time building rooms onto a mobile home in Gallant, a rural area about 25 miles west of Gadsden.

According to colleagues and others who knew him at the time, Moore was rarely seen socializing outside work. He spent one season coaching the Gallant Girls, a softball team that his teenage sister had joined, said several women who played on the team. He spent time working out at the Gadsden YMCA, according to people who encountered him there. And he often walked, usually alone, around the newly opened Gadsden Mall — 6 feet tall and well-dressed in slacks and a button-down shirt, say several women who worked there at the time.

Corfman describes herself as a little lost — “a typical 14-year-old kid of a divorced family” — when she says she first met Moore that day in 1979 outside the courtroom. She says she felt flattered that a grown man was paying attention to her.

“He was charming and smiley,” she says.

After her mother went into the courtroom, Corfman says, Moore asked her where she went to school, what she liked to do and whether he could call her sometime. She remembers giving him her number and says he called not long after. She says she talked to Moore on her phone in her bedroom, and they made plans for him to pick her up at Alcott Road and Riley Street, around the corner from her house.

“I was kind of giddy, excited, you know? An older guy, you know?” Corfman says, adding that her only sexual experience at that point had been kissing boys her age.

She says that it was dark and cold when he picked her up, and that she thought they were going out to eat. Instead, she says, he drove her to his house, which seemed “far, far away.”

“I remember the further I got from my house, the more nervous I got,” Corfman says.

She remembers an unpaved driveway. She remembers going inside and him giving her alcohol on this visit or the next, and that at some point she told him she was 14. She says they sat and talked. She remembers that Moore told her she was pretty, put his arm around her and kissed her, and that she began to feel nervous and asked him to take her home, which she says he did.

Soon after, she says, he called again, and picked her up again at the same spot.

“This was a new experience, and it was exciting and fun and scary,” Corfman says, explaining why she went back. “It was just like this roller-coaster ride you’ve not been on.”

She says that Moore drove her back to the same house after dark, and that before long she was lying on a blanket on the floor. She remembers Moore disappearing into another room and coming out with nothing on but “tight white” underwear.

She remembers that Moore kissed her, that he took off her pants and shirt, and that he touched her through her bra and underpants. She says that he guided her hand to his underwear and that she yanked her hand back.

“I wasn’t ready for that — I had never put my hand on a man’s penis, much less an erect one,” Corfman says.

She remembers thinking, “I don’t want to do this” and “I need to get out of here.” She says that she got dressed and asked Moore to take her home, and that he did.

The legal age of consent in Alabama, then and now, is 16. Under Alabama law in 1979, and today, a person who is at least 19 years old who has sexual contact with someone between 12 and 16 years old has committed sexual abuse in the second degree. Sexual contact is defined as touching of sexual or intimate parts. The crime is a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail.

The law then and now also includes a section on enticing a child younger than 16 to enter a home with the purpose of proposing sexual intercourse or fondling of sexual and genital parts. That is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

In Alabama, the statute of limitations for bringing felony charges involving sexual abuse of a minor in 1979 would have run out three years later, and the time frame for filing a civil complaint would have ended when the alleged victim turned 21, according to Child USA, a nonprofit research and advocacy group at the University of Pennsylvania.

Corfman never filed a police report or a civil suit.

She says that after their last encounter, Moore called again, but that she found an excuse to avoid seeing him. She says that at some point during or soon after her meetings with Moore, she told two friends in vague terms that she was seeing an older man.

Betsy Davis, who remains friendly with Corfman and now lives in Los Angeles, says she clearly remembers Corfman talking about seeing an older man named Roy Moore when they were teenagers. She says Corfman described an encounter in which the older man wore nothing but tight white underwear. She says she was firm with Corfman that seeing someone as old as Moore was out of bounds.

“I remember talking to her and telling her it’s not a good idea,” Davis says. “Because we were so young.”

A second friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing her job, has a similar memory of a teenage Corfman telling her about seeing an older man.

After talking to her friends, Corfman says, she began to feel that she had done something wrong and kept it a secret for years.

“I felt responsible,” she says. “I felt like I had done something bad. And it kind of set the course for me doing other things that were bad.”

She says that her teenage life became increasingly reckless with drinking, drugs, boyfriends, and a suicide attempt when she was 16.

As the years went on, Corfman says, she did not share her story about Moore partly because of the trouble in her life. She has had three divorces and financial problems. While living in Arizona, she and her second husband started a screen-printing business that fell into debt. They filed for bankruptcy protection three times, once in 1991 with $139,689 in unpaid claims brought by the Internal Revenue Service and other creditors, according to court records.

In 2005, Corfman paid a fine for driving a boat without lights. In 2010, she was working at a convenience store when she was charged with a misdemeanor for selling beer to a minor. The charge was dismissed, court records show.

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The three other women who spoke to The Post say that Moore asked them on dates when they were between 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s.

Gloria Thacker Deason says she was 18 and Moore was 32 when they met in 1979 at the Gadsden Mall, where she worked at the jewelry counter of a department store called Pizitz. She says she was attending Gadsden State Community College and still living at home.

“My mom was really, really strict and my curfew was 10:30 but she would let me stay out later with Roy,” says Deason, who is now 57 and lives in North Carolina. “She just felt like I would be safe with him. . . . She thought he was good husband material.”

Deason says that they dated off and on for several months and that he took her to his house at least two times. She says their physical relationship did not go further than kissing and hugging.

“He liked Eddie Rabbitt and I liked Freddie Mercury,” Deason says, referring to the country singer and the British rocker.

She says that Moore would pick her up for dates at the mall or at college basketball games, where she was a cheerleader. She remembers changing out of her uniform before they went out for dinners at a pizzeria called Mater’s, where she says Moore would order bottles of Mateus Rosé, or at a Chinese restaurant, where she says he would order her tropical cocktails at a time when she believes she was younger than 19, the legal drinking age.

“If Mother had known that, she would have had a hissy fit,” says Deason, who says she turned 19 in May 1979, after she and Moore started dating.

Around the same time that Deason says she met Moore at the jewelry counter, Wendy Miller says that Moore approached her at the mall, where she would spend time with her mom, who worked at a photo booth there. Miller says this was in 1979, when she was 16.

She says that Moore’s face was familiar because she had first met him two years before, when she was dressed as an elf and working as a Santa’s helper at the mall. She says that Moore told her she looked pretty, and that two years later, he began asking her out on dates in the presence of her mother at the photo booth. She says she had a boyfriend at the time, and declined.

Her mother, Martha Brackett, says she refused to grant Moore permission to date her 16-year-old daughter.

“I’d say, ‘You’re too old for her . . . let’s not rob the cradle,’ ” Brackett recalls telling Moore.

Miller, who is now 54 and still lives in Alabama, says she was “flattered by the attention.”

“Now that I’ve gotten older,” she says, “the idea that a grown man would want to take out a teenager, that’s disgusting to me.”

Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she was 17 in the spring of 1981 when Moore spoke to her Etowah High School civics class about serving as the assistant district attorney. She says that when he asked her out, she asked her mother what she would say if she wanted to date a 34-year-old man. Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said “Roy Moore,” her mother said, “I’d say you were the luckiest girl in the world.”

Among locals in Gadsden, a town of about 47,000 back then, Moore “had this godlike, almost deity status — he was a hometown boy made good,” Gibson says, “West Point and so forth.”

Gibson says that they dated for two to three months, and that he took her to his house, read her poetry and played his guitar. She says he kissed her once in his bedroom and once by the pool at a local country club.

“Looking back, I’m glad nothing bad happened,” says Gibson, who now lives in Florida. “As a mother of daughters, I realize that our age difference at that time made our dating inappropriate.”

****

By 1982, Moore was by his own account in his book causing a stir in the district attorney’s office for his willingness to criticize the workings of the local legal system. He convened a grand jury to look into what he alleged were funding problems in the sheriff’s office. In response, Moore writes, the state bar association investigated him for going against the advice of the district attorney, an inquiry that was dismissed.

Soon after, Moore quit and began his first political campaign for the county’s circuit court judge position. He lost overwhelmingly, and left Alabama shortly thereafter, heading to Texas, where he says in his book that he trained as a kickboxer, and to Australia, where he says he lived on a ranch for a year wrangling cattle.

He returned to Gadsden in 1984 and went into private law practice. In 1985, at age 38, he married Kayla Kisor, who was 24. The two are still married.

A few years later, Moore began his rise in Alabama politics and into the national spotlight.

In 1992, he became a circuit court judge and hung his wooden Ten Commandments plaque in his courtroom.

In 2000, he was elected chief justice of Alabama’s Supreme Court, and he soon installed a 5,280-pound granite Ten Commandments monument in the judicial building.

In 2003, he was dismissed from the bench for ignoring a federal court order to remove the monument, and became known nationally as “The Ten Commandments Judge.”

Moore was again elected chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2012, and was again dismissed for ignoring a judicial order, this time for instructing probate judges not to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

All of this has made Moore a hero to many Alabama voters, who consider him a stalwart Christian willing to stand up for their values. In a September Republican primary for the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Moore defeated the appointed sitting senator, Luther Strange, who was backed by President Trump and other party leaders in Washington. Moore faces the Democratic nominee, Doug Jones, in a special election scheduled for Dec. 12.

On a visit home in the mid-1990s to see her mother and stepfather in Alabama, Corfman says, she saw Moore’s photo in the Gadsden Times.

“ ‘Mother, do you remember this guy?’ ” Wells says Corfman said at the time.

That’s when Corfman told her, Wells recalls. Her daughter said that not long after the court hearing in 1979, Moore took her to his house. Wells says that her daughter conveyed to her that Moore had behaved inappropriately.

“I was horrified,” Wells says.

Years later, Corfman says, she saw a segment about Moore on ABC News’s “Good Morning America.” She says she threw up.

There were times, Corfman says, she thought about confronting Moore. At one point during the late 1990s, she says, she became so angry that she drove to the parking lot outside Moore’s office at the county courthouse in Gadsden. She sat there for a while, she says, rehearsing what she might say to him.

“ ‘Remember me?’ ” she imagined herself saying.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

alfred, they will (or would, they're switching deals come jan 1) give free access to ppl with .edu addresses

j., Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

.@BreitbartNews pic.twitter.com/t2me8N5pgI

— antifa crisis actor (@thetomzone) November 9, 2017

j., Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

tons of incredible musicians from Alabama. Fred fucking Wesley.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

;)

:P

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:14 (eight years ago)

Holy shit at that Ziegler dude.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:14 (eight years ago)

sometimes you can "slip through the window" by "going incognito" in "private mode", if you know what i mean

― Karl Malone, Thursday, November 9, 2017

Saturday night is enough

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:16 (eight years ago)

WaPo is the only source of journalism I pay for and they are worth it imo

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:22 (eight years ago)

BREAKING: Bob Corker announces Senate hearing to examine Trump's 'authority to use nuclear weapons' on November 14th

I can't stress enough how important this hearing is.

If the walls of the Mueller investigation begin to close in on Trump, there is no telling what he may do.

— Brian Krassenstein🐬 (@krassenstein) November 9, 2017

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:27 (eight years ago)

(BREAKING early this morning, sorry if it was mentioned upthread)

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:28 (eight years ago)

huh didn't see that one coming. Major separation of powers/Constitutional issue at the heart of it, so idk.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:30 (eight years ago)

I've had a print subscription to WaPo since, um, 1976.

Recently cut back to weekends-only and it physically hurt to do so.

piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:31 (eight years ago)

I wish y'all would stop posting WaPo stories that many of us can't read!

i disable javascript in my browser and can read all wapo stories.

new noise, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:33 (eight years ago)

this is the kind of headline Dems need to push: "Millions will have their taxes raised under GOP tax plan"

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/GOP-tax-plan-will-raise-taxes-on-lots-of-people-12345127.php

just stick an extra "while corporations and the super-rich get tax cuts" on there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:37 (eight years ago)

I've several paper subscriptions. I should drop NYT since I can read it free using my uni library browser.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:38 (eight years ago)

why do people believe that if corporations get more money through tax breaks that they will pass that saving onto their employees in the form of higher wages ? what fucking examples do we have of this actually happening ? it pretty much never happens .xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:42 (eight years ago)

corporations are awash with capital at the moment and disparity in pay is at an all time high and these dudes are all of the sudden going to be generous with their earnings .?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:44 (eight years ago)

all you guys know this shit of course. I'm just so fed up with everything more than ever lately . i'll go now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

My understanding is that no serious person is seriously arguing that corporations will start people paying more if they're taxed less.

Merely, that they'll DEFINITELY start paying people _less_ if they're taxed _more_.

So it's not about things getting better, but rather about things not getting worse.

piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

why do people believe that if corporations get more money through tax breaks that they will pass that saving onto their employees in the form of higher wages ? what fucking examples do we have of this actually happening ? it pretty much never happens .xp

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, November 9, 2017 3:42 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because propaganda

Evan, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:51 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DON_DtCUIAAeV_t.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 20:53 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:10 (eight years ago)

Moore has denied the allegations and given no indication that he will step aside. Even if he does, McConnell and other Republicans will face the challenge of figuring out what candidate would run in Moore’s place — and how to win an election in which it is too late to replace the former judge’s name on the Dec. 12 ballot.

Under Alabama state law, the ballot cannot be changed within 76 days of an election. But a candidate can still withdraw. The state party can also request that the secretary of state disqualify a candidate on the ballot, even if the candidate wants to stay in the race.

In the event of either disqualification or withdrawal, the appropriate state canvassing boards would not certify any votes cast for Moore.

Alabama state law does allow write-in votes to be cast in general elections, as long as the names are for living people and written in without using a rubber stamp or stick-on label. Sen. Luther Strange (R-Ala.), who lost in the primary to Moore, would be an eligible write-in candidate, said John Bennett, an official at the Alabama Secretary of State’s office.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

xpost I didn't think I could take it, but that's funny.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

Wow. This defense of Roy Moore from AL state Auditor Jim Ziegler:

"Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”https://t.co/IhaWiCEFmq

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) November 9, 2017

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:15 (eight years ago)

take that totally common birth situation, the birth of jesus,

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:19 (eight years ago)

that analogy seems flawed for at least one very obvious reason

Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:20 (eight years ago)

a lot of these assholes seem to genuinely believe that Trump has ushered in the LOL NOTHING MATTERS era and that they really can get away with absolutely anything

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)

I doubt Dougie will go too hard on this, but when he does address it I'm sure he'll just fold it into his "Roy Moore is an embarrassment to the State of Alabama" narrative, which he's been pushing for awhile. Could work.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)

y'know I had never really considered God as a pedophile before but when you put it that way...

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

that analogy seems flawed for at least one very obvious reason

― Simon H., Thursday, November 9, 2017 4:20 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

marcos, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

what I am hopeful for is that Moore will make some kind of statement that makes this worse. Seems likely.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)

the angel Ziegler from Bama came, his wings as drifted snow, his eyes as flame

crüt, Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:24 (eight years ago)

The Ziegler thing is the closest so far to the "times were different then" defense I've been expecting. I just thought they were going to talk about the 1970s, not the year zero.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

and lo, the angel of the Moore appeared to her

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

Moore! Moore! Moore!!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:46 (eight years ago)

With a rebel yell

piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 November 2017 21:48 (eight years ago)


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