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I mean, I couldn't make it as a standup, which indicates how high the assholism bar is.

the stuff about his kids is some of the best comedy I've ever heard, and the stuff about women just as depressingly stupid as pretty much every other A-list male comic

I pretty much lost any desire to listen to Louis CK once the rumors came out, just like Cosby

proposed policy: ban "adult" cartoons

Yeah I doubt I'll ever get round to the show now - what might have seemed "brave", a guy putting his worst self on display, will now just play as him locking the door & getting his junk out

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eh I never though he was "brave", really

there is some good stuff in the show (the Lynch-Marshall arc/episodes are awesome, as are the ones w Parker Posey and Chloe Sevigny) but it is v hit and miss, and sort of smugly self-satisfied.

proposed policy: ban "adult" cartoons

RIP King of the Hill ;_;

Need my comedians to actually self-loathe, not as part of their loveable schtick tbh

I did want to check out the eps with David Lynch in. Sadly I'm weighing up the odds of having two big reasons not to in future

Also he performed swearing, he was no good at swearing naturally. Cardinal.

two reasons?

Need my comedians to actually self-loathe, not as part of their loveable schtick tbh

Oh, the self-loathing is definitely real.

anyway this has probably been enough analysis of CK's project for the sexual harassment thread

Would compare CK to Philip Roth: master of craft, restless artist, willing to focus on his weaknesses and worst aspects, kinda fucked up and self-aware of fucking up, and best rest with no knowledge of the author's own behavior.

I was talking with a friend of mine about 3 weeks ago about when Louis C.K. would get dragged & how truly bizarre his new movie looked. I think I said this upthread, but him making a movie like that is totally of a piece with Woody Allen commenting "I just hope it doesn't become a witch hunt," Kevin Spacey "I choose to live now as a gay man," Jerry Sandusky's insane phone interview with Bob Costas, Bill Cosby doing Fat Albert heyyy heyyy heyyy! walking out of the courtroom... it's like they get off on testing the limits, pushing the boundaries to their breaking point to see how far they can get away with just blatantly stating what they do w/o consequences. I'm amazed it took this long for a Louis takedown to happen- that Gawker story a few years ago was pretty damning. I told my friend as much, and he said Louis wouldn't get taken down because "too many people like him" - which I thought was ridiculous, frankly I'm surprised by the fandom itt. I saw him on NYE '12-'13 and it was boring. Never watched the show. SNL '15 monologue was stupid. I imagine the "damaging NYT piece" will have a lot more stuff than jerking off in front of women against their will.

xp to Jordan I'm talking about the little voice that wonders about lynch, or any male artist you're attached to, but particularly in this case one whom you (I) constantly have to defend from charges of misogyny as it is

It's both insane how rife this is and depressingly unsurprising

is Cosby's trial still going on I don't remember

David Lynch would not surprise me sadly

xp he did the Fat Albert thing when he got off iirc

phrasing

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...he did the Fat Albert thing when he got off...

Posts taken out of context...

lads

Louis CK has done lots of stuff that I've found very funny and entertaining, but none of it would cause me to doubt the possibility that he may be a colossal asshole.

I'm not comfortable with the elision of "sexual abuser" in favor of "asshole"

fair enough

Every sexual abuser is an asshole, not every asshole is a sexual abuser.

Agree

Crut otm

Exclusive: 5 women tell NYT that Louis C.K. crossed a line into sexual misconduct https://t.co/GYl09W0uW2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 9, 2017

welp

there it goes

What an asshole.

“I think the line gets crossed when you take all your clothes off and start masturbating,” Ms. Wolov said.

jesus

i wasn't trying to "demote" him to asshole, in case that wasn't clear

what's with all the masturbators

Obviously the victims are foremost in my mind, but having seen the movie, I can't help but feel bad for Charlie Day, the one tasked with mimicking masturbation repeatedly in the movie

Power, no interest whatsoever in pleasing or turning on the other person xp

so I guess the female comedy duo from the Gawker piece wasn't Garfunkel and Oates after all

I feel like what's going to happen is CK apologizes profusely and claims he has some sort of diagnosed impulse control issue

Yet in an interview with The Times in September at the Toronto film festival, where “I Love You, Daddy,” was shown, Louis C.K. dismissed stories of his alleged sexual misconduct as “rumors,” and said the notion that the masturbation scenes referred to them never occurred to him. “It’s funny, I didn’t think of that, ” he said.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. He gets off on it.

xp Simon- so, p much exactly what Weinstein & Spacey did?

yeah, that's been the common reaction, but I'm cautiously optimistic that people just aren't buying it anymore

i wasn't trying to "demote" him to asshole, in case that wasn't clear

nor was I, these are some pretty fucked up stories. good to see that it's getting a swift reaction.

Were they ever buying it? Shit has changed so much in the last month.

the whole "sex rehab" thing for this stuff is a punchline, nobody is defending Weinstein or Spacey or any of the other dozens of predatory men, Louis is finished

I think those kinds of excuses carried more weight previous to the Weinstein episode

well, Gay Talese defended Spacey, but i take yr point

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For someone as allegedly candid as he is, Louis' ongoing unwillingness to discuss (much less admit or apologize for) any of this is especially galling.

what IS 'sex rehab' -- you watch other men take their clothes off and note your disgust?

this one hits hard for me tbh; Louis had done such a good job of thriving outside the corporate system and has so consistently produced funny or at least consistently interesting work. So much of his persona (including the regular, clearly personally written emails to his list) is about connecting with you as a genuine person; it's just depressing that this is the payoff.
i just watched the most recent season of one mississippi which is very much about Louis in a pretty unveiled way; kinda prepared me for this to be on the way. really sucks that this immensely shitty behavior on his part torpedoed several womens' careers and looks set to destroy him too.