Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Where was that quote from, Ian?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm looking forward to seeing the Department of Homeland Security punished with a dramatic increase in funding and a stern tongue-lashing.

Evanston Wade (EWW), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson Parish President, Aaron Broussard on MTP this morning, the video of this was heartbreaking.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Johnny Dupree, mayor of Hattiesburg MS, on CNN: [facetiously] "Who's FEMA?"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/09/04/1201547-sun.html
"If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened."- Mayor Ray Nagin

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, a U.S. senator really just said that she was going to punch Bush?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

as billmon points out here, even bushco can be efficient when there's political advantage to be gained from it.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

here's the ZDF.de site. Can somebody look around in this? It's all in German. Colin? Ally?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_washington

President Bush and first lady Laura Bush visited the Red Cross' disaster operation center, where they thanked employees. The president also announced that the White House would hold a blood drive on Friday.

"The world saw this tidal wave of disaster ascend upon the Gulf Coast," said Bush, who plans to return to the region Monday. "Now they can see a tidal wave of compassion."

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah!!!!! ExTrEmE cOmPaSsIoN!!! ::surge::

pr00de descending a staircase (pr00de), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4213932.stm

EU and NATO asked for assistance. C4 news said it was for water trucks and ready meals.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

"Now they can see a tidal wave of compassion."

I don't think he should be promising any more waves of anything, even metaphorically. How about a squeegee mop of compassion?

It's nice to see that the coverage elsewhere in the world stays focused on the real issue, plain and simple: this is the richest country in the world and people could not be bothered to deal with the problems with the levees beforehand and the emergency response after it happened was a goddamn joke.

A German guy called into the Brian Lehrer show in NYC a few days ago and made the same comment. He was like, "I can't believe you guys are even debating whether the response was adequate. The whole entire world can see your leaders are completely incompetent. First they screwed up Iraq, and now they can't even take care of your own people. I don't understand why you put up with it."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Dangerous Incompetence

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Cindy Sheehan

George Bush has been an incompetent failure his entire life. Fortunately, for humanity, he was just partying his way through school, running companies into the ground and being an alcoholic and cocaine abuser for most of that time and his incompetence was limited to hurting the people who worked for him and his own family. The people in his life who were hurt by his incompetence probably have been able to "get on" with their lives. Now, though, his incompetence affects the world and is responsible for so many deaths and so much destruction. How many of us did not foresee the mess he would make of the world when he was selected the first time? We saw what he had done to Texas. How many of us marvelled and were so discouraged and amazed when he was "re-elected" the second time? We saw what he had done to the world. Dangerous incomptence should never be rewarded, let alone be rewarded so handsomely as in George's case.

The Camp Casey movement has been struggling with how best we can help the government ravaged people of New Orleans and the surrounding areas. We sent a bus load of supplies into Covington, La., which is a poor, African-American town across Lake Ponchartrain from New Orleans. I had the privilege of visiting Covington with my friends, Buddy and Annie Spell last July. It was a community filled with love and laughter.

The Bring Them Home Now Tour bus that went into Covington is the VFP Impeachment Tour bus that I rode in and out of Crawford on. They took about 10,000 pounds of leftover Camp Casey supplies and we had 2 trucks filled to the brim with leftover water that we got into Covington. The tour bus also has satellite so it is the only communications that Covington has with the outside world now.

This is an email that our tour received from Gordon who is one of the bus drivers who bravely drove to Covington . I left it intact without editing:

I can't recommend coming here but, if you must, we do need help! During the
> day we are going out into the community with water and baby supplies lunch
> foods. But, there has been an attack on the Armory and the cops are scared.
> We have move into Covington middle school and we are giving the red cross
> our assistance with medical supplies and food services. Until we arrived,
> they only had MRE's. They just brought in 5 new borns babies from the
> hospital as they are expecting more casualties, We brought in a generator
> and solar powered lights, no power, no phone service here, our satellite
> link is the only connection to the outside. The Marshal Law enforcement
> that will be coming to New Orleans with the Army, could create mass panic.
> that will lead to more refugees, we have twenty right now and room for 100.
> Don't come here unless your are prepared to work!.
>
> I should say, stay out on the road and raise money for the relief effort.
> But make up your own minds.
>
> We need to keep the public aware of what is going on here and all over
> SOLA,
>
> I you want to help go an established refugee camp and provide your
> internet access to document who it there and what they plan to do to the
> website. Use your satellites access to maximize the story of the relief
> effort!
>
> Gordon
>

There it is.

I think we should finish the tour so we can talk about what an abject failure this administration is. The unnecessary tragedy in New Orleans is directly related to the unnecessary tragedy in Iraq: Unnecessary being the operative word.

Innocent people are dying daily in this world. In the crush of the hurricane story, the fact that 950 people (mostly women and children) were trampled to death in Iraq was buried in the back sections. Those are 950 people who would still be alive if George Bush were not president. 950 people in Iraq and how many thousands in the Gulf States died while the emperor strummed a guitar and knocked a golf ball around? Additonally, eight of our brave and wonderful soldiers have been needlessly killed in Iraq since Monday.

I really believe that George and his band of incompetent and dangerous thugs need to resign. It would be the only honorable and competent thing to do. But wait…

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/09/con05318.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

oh, here's Cheney, or at least where he'll be on next friday. Guess he's been makin' all them phonecalls to line this up.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

and with that post:

Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE) (666 new answers)


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

'Who are we if we can't take care of our own?'
Maureen Dowd, New York Times columnist

(This makes me think of Hillel, but the echo seems subtle enough that I wonder if it's intentional.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

a view from scotland.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Some who stayed behind were survivalists and gun nuts, seeking out social disaster to allow them to exercise their skills.

man, Interdictor got covered over there, too. One of the popular topics of discussion on SA(where he was a poster, and where I lurk), the "what would you do if zombies attacked/post-apoc/Mad Max scenario" thing is a popular topic of discussion. if you're a survivalist and you're suddenly presented with a very real chance to go play, yer gunna take it.

in related news, Lowtax is now fighting with PayPal to release the $28K he raised for relief efforts. They locked the account yesterday for "suspicious behavior."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

re: that Cheney article

Alex Swann, spokesman for McLellan, said when the deputy minister invited the vice-president last year she asked not simply to visit Canada but Alberta and the oilsands.

“So energy is going to be the focus of the discussion of the whole visit.

Does he ever have anything on his mind other than oil? oh, yeah -- scaring people with the spectre of another terrorist attack. given that the gov't has proven to be utterly unprepared, incompetant and blind to the facts, i suppose he's right on that account, though.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

nagin still looks pissed off.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it's probably a good thing at this point that they didn't give him his own sidearm...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Hurricane Katrina Relief for Musicians

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

from an International Herald Tribune article on the front of nytimes.com:

A proposal to detach the Federal Emergency Management Administration from Homeland Security is to be introduced this week in Congress. Some critics say that the Homeland Security takeover of FEMA added a harmful layer of bureaucracy.

Others have questioned the FEMA leadership of Michael Brown, whose background in law, finance and public service includes no prior emergency-management experience.

I do hope that they split out FEMA. The DHS seems -at least right now- to be an oversized, bumbling beauracracy. I fly a LOT (30,000 miles so far just since January), and so my primary contact with them is with the TSA at the airports. I'm so unimpressed with the mess that they have made out of airport screening, that I can't imagine that they're any more competent on more complicated problems. Airport screening should be simple- you're dealing with a lot of people and luggage, but it's not rocket science. But I read a lot of stories of knives and guns getting through, and there was the episode earlier this summer where they lost some explosives used in an exercise- they were inserted into an actual passenger's luggage, and the screener didn't catch them, so they went all the way to europe (and I beleive were never found). If they can't handle that kind of work, why are we expecting them to be able to handle something crazy complex like disaster recovery efforts?

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Oh year, article URL:

http://nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04cnd-bush.html

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

an interesting bit will be which Repub congressfolk oppose the split, and where those with presidential ambitions(Frist, Santorum(really!), etc) stand

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

check this shit out:

according to a banner ad on the CNN frontpage, El Doofus' father(guy who fucked up with FEMA 13 years ago) is on Larry King tomorrow to discuss relief efforts.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

I keep thinking of the early Clinton years when the phrase "policy wonk" became a sneering term for-- well, I suppose for "serious people who give a fuck."

And I think back to election 2000 with Al Gore, a mostly "serious" person (except for that beard thing) running for Class President against Bluto fucking Blutarsky. I don't mean serious = correct, necessarily, but you know, someone with some kind of idea of how things work. And I kept right on thinking, "OK, I know the GOP can do better than this guy, and who in their right mind would vote for this clown over the Gore"? It's like my very own Pauline Kael moment, and it's immortal now because it's on the interwebs.

Anyway, "Brownie" was always my favorite character from Animal House, the way he got under Dean Wormer's skin.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

oh shit, i completely forgot this was going to happen in a week:

(from a summary at Sojo.net)

Last week the Bush Administration derailed efforts to address global poverty at the upcoming United Nations World Summit in New York City Sept. 14-16. U.S. ambassador to the UN John Bolton called for drastic changes to the summit's draft agreement. His more than 750 amendments significantly reduce the focus on global poverty and delete every single reference to the Millennium Development Goals (which, among other things, provide a blueprint to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015).

and from the WaPo article:

The United States has only recently introduced more than 750 amendments that would eliminate new pledges of foreign aid to impoverished nations, scrap provisions that call for action to halt climate change and urge nuclear powers to make greater progress in dismantling their nuclear arms. At the same time, the administration is urging members of the United Nations to strengthen language in the 29-page document that would underscore the importance of taking tougher action against terrorism, promoting human rights and democracy, and halting the spread of the world's deadliest weapons...

[...]

The U.S. amendments call for striking any mention of the Millennium Development Goals, and the administration has publicly complained that the document's section on poverty is too long. Instead, the United States has sought to underscore the importance of the Monterrey Consensus, a 2002 summit in Mexico that focused on free-market reforms, and required governments to improve accountability in exchange for aid and debt relief...


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

BusinessWeek Online

SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

SPECIAL REPORT


Let Katrina Be a Warning
Here's what the hurricane can teach about handling natural disasters and energy policy better
It is a natural disaster of unprecedented proportions for America. But the irony and the tragedy of the killer storm called Katrina is that the hurricane's devastating effects were entirely predictable -- and largely preventable.

Engineers have known for years that New Orleans levees couldn't withstand anything above a Category 3 hurricane. Ecologists had long warned that the loss of protective barrier islands and coastal wetlands made everything along the Gulf Coast, from refineries to vacation homes, far more vulnerable to major storms.

Scientists have been learning that, for whatever reasons, hurricanes have become more destructive over the past 30 years. And with the world's oil-producing and gasoline-refining capabilities strained, it has been clear that storm-related damage to the highly concentrated Gulf Coast energy industry could be hugely disruptive to the nation's oil, gasoline, and natural gas supplies.

HELPFUL PROGRAMS ERODED. Yet not only have these warnings gone largely unheeded but for years government policies have been putting the country at a greater risk of both natural disasters and energy shocks. Along the Gulf, "we've had a tremendously irresponsible policy, destroying protective natural features while encouraging risky and precarious development," says Frederick Krimgold, director of Virginia Tech's disaster risk reduction program. And although Congress passed an energy bill in August, it does almost nothing to solve the problems exposed by Katrina.

The major lesson policymakers should draw from the catastrophe is just how vulnerable the U.S. is becoming to natural disasters and energy disruptions. In fact, some experts say, Americans have been mistakenly lulled into thinking terrorism is the most pressing threat -- and they argue that the relentless focus on staving off suicide bombers has left crucial gaps elsewhere.

Case in point: After the huge 1993 Mississippi River flood, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) began buying up floodplain property, preventing people from rebuilding and being swept away again. But that effort, and a larger FEMA mitigation program, no longer exists.

And just this summer, the proposed funding for the New Orleans Army Corps of Engineers district was cut by $71 million for fiscal 2006. Shelved, among other items, was a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane.

POLICY LESSONS. Americans are already paying the price for these policy lapses in the form of higher energy costs. And inevitably, natural disasters will hit other parts of the nation, in part just because of more development. New York and Washington certainly aren't immune, warns John N. McHenry, chief scientist at Baron Advanced Meteorological Systems, a forecasting outfit in Raleigh, N.C. Says McHenry: "It would not take much to flood all of Manhattan."

Everyone with an agenda is pushing his pet ideas as a solution. House Energy & Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton (R-Tex.) thinks that our energy woes can be solved with more production. "We could be drilling in Alaska right now," he says.

On the other side of the political spectrum, activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. blames the Bush Administration for failing to push tough fuel economy standards and curbs on global warming. Says Kennedy: "Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children."

Partisan fulminations aside, there are policy lessons from Katrina on both the energy and the natural resource management fronts. Here's what could be done:

Restore natural buffer zones
The combination of the Mississippi River levees and oil and gas development has had a devastating effect on the whole Gulf Coast. The levees prevent sediment from reaching the delta. Meanwhile, oil and gas companies have dug channels through the wetlands and sucked oil from underneath, causing the land to sink, saltwater to intrude -- and thousands of acres to submerge.

Although reclamation measures were already under way to restore Gulf marshlands, they were too little too late. "I'm hoping that one lesson to come out of this is that talk about rolling back protections for wetlands [all across the country] will end," says Yale University ecologist David K. Skelly.

Limit development in the most vulnerable areas
Experts say it's crazy to keep building casinos and vacation homes on coastal dunes, barrier islands, and other vulnerable spots. One solution is to stop offering federal insurance for such projects. Another is to put the land off limits to development. During the Clinton Administration, FEMA "was working hard" to slow such development, says Virginia Tech's Krimgold. But such efforts ended after FEMA became part of the Homeland Security Dept.

Aiming for a better balance of risk and development means tough decisions. A city like New Orleans, lying in a vast bowl below sea level and protected by fragile levees in a hurricane belt, probably should never have been built. But once it was there, more effort should have been put into strengthening the levees and the city's pumping system. "We knew this was a danger, and it was clearly brought to our attention," says Senator Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), who is working on a bill to improve emergency communications during disasters.

Get serious about climate change
"It is increasingly clear that global warming makes [hurricanes] more severe and destructive," asserts former Energy Dept. official Joseph Romm. "Katrina is the shape of things to come." Plus, action to combat climate change, such as increased development of renewable sources, has the additional beneficial effect of reducing the nation's vulnerability to energy shocks.

Make a Presidential appeal
In the short term, experts suggest, President Bush could minimize the impact on gasoline prices simply by asking Americans to be more aware and careful -- by inflating tires, tuning up cars, and driving more slowly. The Environmental Protection Agency also relaxed clean fuel standards to reduce the number of gasoline formulations refineries need to make and to open the door to more imports. Over the medium term, moving to a single national standard for gasoline would reduce pressure on stressed refineries.

Increase energy diversity
Over the longer term, the answer is greater diversity -- of sources, geographic locations, types of energy -- and greater use of energy-efficiency measures. Combined, these steps would make the economy more immune to energy shocks.

A number of states, for instance, have already required that a certain percentage of electricity be generated from renewable sources. A national standard would help even more to reduce the impact of shortages or price spikes in natural gas.

Boost energy efficiency
Improving the fuel economy of the cars and trucks Americans drive to 40 mpg would save 6 million barrels of oil a day, many times more than is being lost because of Katrina. Indeed, all these policies are simple, if not easy, and most have been suggested for years. In the end, Katrina could be a wake-up call for pols to finally stop posturing and get serious about the nation's energy vulnerabilities. If they don't, cataclysms like Katrina could happen again.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep2005/nf2005091_2860_db094.htm

(I saw that because David Corn linked to it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

Scott Batemann's flash-anim mixing the Nagin interview and the official response.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

After the authorities in Baton Rouge had prepared a field hospital for victims of the storm, Fema sent its first batch of supplies, all of which were designed for use against chemical attack, including drugs such as Cipro, which is designed for use against anthrax. "We called them up and asked them: 'Why did you send that, and they said that's what it says in the book'," said a Baton Rouge official.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1561909,00.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

In delayed response to one of Alan's annoying questions a while back (re: what kind of equipment over in Iraq could possibly be needed in New Orleans): Nancy Lessin, of Military Families Speak Out, whose daughter is in New Orleans, said: "The numbers we have are that there are 11,000 National Guard personnel from Louisiana of whom about 3,000 are in Iraq with most of the heavy equipment. This included generators and high-water and other vehicles which could assist with the rescue effort."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

(Same article.)

I had been looking forward to going out dancing tonight but I've had a headache lodged in my right temple throughout most of the day, oddly localized like that.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 5 September 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!! (re: Cipro, The Millenium Development Goals, and more)

Where was that quote from, Ian?

-- Tim Ellison (thefriendlyfriendlybubbl...), September 4th, 2005 2:24 PM.


Seriously, a U.S. senator really just said that she was going to punch Bush?

She said that while flying in a helicopter over New Orleans with George Stephanopolous (sp?) for This Week on ABC.

"If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened."- Mayor Ray Nagin

-- Fritz Wollner (fritzwollner5...), September 4th, 2005 3:05 PM.

I'm willing to bet that he's already received a death threat.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 5 September 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

I just like this picture (and this story )so much that I'm postin it. Sorry if it's a repeat. Dude is such a hero.

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/09/01/katrina_renegadebus.jpg

Hunter (Hunter), Monday, 5 September 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

renegade bus!

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 September 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Dunno if this has been brought up yet or not, but in case anyone is wondering to themselves, "Hmm. I wonder what Celine Dion thinks of all this?"

Now we know. Video of Celine wigging out on Larry King's show.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

i watched that today with the sound off. was it as terrifying as it looked?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Actually I read that the renegade bus was actually charging $100 a piece to enter, so maybe not such a cause celebre? Or perhaps this was a different schoolbus?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

how many people d'ya reckon had $100 cash on them during katrina?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

re: celine - i liked when she said "open the television". bless.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

The people from the hotels that were waiting for the 6 buses to come for them for that never came so that they paid $45 a ticket for. Um, this was the bus that Toussaint ended up on, so is it different then the ren bus? I haven't followed the story, obv.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

people are quick:

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/34583447/8201593

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

"Donald Rumsfeld, How will the defense department respond to the lawlessness that has broken out?"

Donald Rumsfeld: "We're not, uh... we won't be involved with that. We'll be leaving that up to local law enforcement and uh... to delegate that."

Rumsfeld then goes on to save face by listing what the Defense Dept. will be involved with, which includes everything BUT defense. Is this just a lame strategy to cover up the fact that everyone's over in Iraq?

Contributed Answer, Monday, 5 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

What local law enforcement? It doesn't seem to have hit them that the concept of "local" is gone in NO.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

French Quarter Holdouts Create 'Tribes'

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

"I'm heart-broken to leave the city that I love," Rowland said as he sat in the air-conditioned splendor of the bus. "It didn't have to be this way."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

but jesus christ, every single scenario of civilization break-down(war or nuclear or whatever) from Mad Max to George R Stewart's _Earth Abides_(written 57 years ago) to the Fallout games, has that phenomenon happening.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

check this out, the governor hired James Lee Witt(the last FEMA head who had any idea what the fuck his job was) to coordinate the efforts.

Louisiana officials are getting stretched too thin and need help, she said. "I like to hire the smartest people in the country," she added.

the local radio just said she also refused to turn over control of the Natl Guard to FEMA, but there's no confirmation of that.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

the local radio just said she also refused to turn over control of the Natl Guard to FEMA, but there's no confirmation of that.

nytimes.com also mentioned that, but I don't remember which article it was.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)


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