brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

votes of confidence tend to be the mechanism by which lame duck governments get put out of their misery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motions_of_no_confidence_in_the_United_Kingdom though as the Major years attest, governments can limp along for a very long time while surviving such votes

Yeah, but post-FTPA the bar for pulling that off is quite high -- you'll need a chunk of Tories onside, and I don't see the dynamics working out. If Major could survive it I think May certainly can.

It's been said before, but May's style has long been to just hide until trouble blows over. Cancelling cabinet is an amazing attempt to try that trick while actually leading a government.

you'd have thought more MPs would be angrily calling the government out on their shit and trying to provoke some sort of rebellion. atm it seems anna soubry is leading the charge, and she's not exactly ideal as a voice of reason

Apparently even The Spectator is referring to Johnson's fuck up as "one of the worst messes created by a Cabinet Minister" - maybe they just want him back.

Even the Soubry's of the "moderate" wing (not worth 198 Bevan Attlees btw) are too scared of the idea of commissar Corbyn as pm to make up enough dissenters for a vote of no confidence, probably.

I imagine some Tories, old and new, are enjoying all this.

http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/cameron-osborne.jpg

Jail them.

So Priti Patel. Shall we talk about her? (1)

— Cab Davidson (@gnomeicide) November 6, 2017

i swear if we vote this lot back in

Are they going to bother with another election? They cancelled Queen's speech, cancelled Cabinet. Time for a government of national stability through the transition I suspect

p disturbing stuff all around.

They're also filibustering and no-showing on Commons votes that call for them to actually do anything. Total abdication of responsibility.

Well catching up with y’all has certainly cheered me up this morning.

i thought i had trouble getting my wife to stop working on vacation but at least she wasn't meeting with benjamin netanyahu

woke soubz won’t even defy the whip on govt business (despite her protestations) so looking to her to support a no confidence is probably for the fairies atm

Patel recommending aid money for Israel directly after these secret meetings is pretty much the smoking gun right?

I can’t think of a previous administration where something like Patel would have been let slide, but seems like anything goes with this weak-as-fuck government. Fallon going means nobody else can; they’re all like flashing invulnerable Pacmen rn.

Johnson's fuck-up is worse than Patel's. Hers is deceitful and mendacious, his is both of those with added incompetence, and has the potential to (even further) fuck up the life of a blameless individual, while also generating far worse headlines later down the line. I think he'll be the one to keep his job.

BREAKING: Ex-Communities Secretary Carl Sargeant has been found dead. He was suspended following allegations of incidents with women pic.twitter.com/zTAYtcP0XW

— BBC Wales News (@BBCWalesNews) November 7, 2017

and heeeeeere cooooooooomes the MRAs

Not sure about that Matt

As someone who used to work for FCO a thread on why ppl need to understand that Priti Patels "mistake" far far worse than Boris' "gaffe" /1

— Nick🇬🇧🇪🇺🇩🇪 (@nicktolhurst) November 7, 2017

12 meetings though. While on "holiday". Sack her for being the most boring person in Britain alone.

Speaking of mistakes being far worse: good lord that dude has THREE flags in his twitter name. You can get executed for that in my filter bubble iirc.

What a dumb thread anyway, to rank two gruesome mistakes.

i: i suspect may very much wishes she could just resign and vanish from public life forever
ii: except she is these days trapped in a catastrophic sunk-costs fugue of "my duty to party and country"
iii: (she's a tory so she entirely confuses these two)
iv: her judgment was extremely bad from the get-go but she now more than half-knows that she doesn't have instincts she can trust, quite the opposite
v: understandably, she trusts everyone round her even less (in terms of judgment AND motive)
vi: at every turn every salving action taken -- obviously sacking johnson, but there are now daily troubles to manage on all sides -- merely presents an even more terrible vista
vii: so she's retreated even further into the land of terrified zugwang

Does she trust in the small still voice of OUR LORD? Not that he has much good form in this.

if by that you mean Arlene Foster, then I'm not sure she has a choice TBH

looking fwd to five more years of this. increasing child poverty, increasing homelessness, nosediving productivity, lacklustre economic growth, etc etc

There's an extent to which any claim to accountability and seriousness in this cabinet is immediately undercut by the presence of Liam Fox in it. I know, I know, he went down, until the bloating in his corpse caused him to rise again.

you know, I had thought that after the election, May remaining as PM was a torturous spectacle, but I increasingly get the sense that she is tenaciously clinging to power with as firm a bite as she can manage and quite possibly close to deranged. I don't think anybody is forcing her into this position, I think that the desire to be PM for whatever that means to her will trump any personal sense of embarrassment or shame of what and absolute disgrace she is. I think she is desperate that *something* will happen that means she can claim to have had some sort of success. Really resigning before the election is the only way she could have claimed this, when she was the most popular PM of all time or w/e.

Flagged your post NV. Not that I want you to be banned at all (I enjoy your posts), but just think that you could taken a moement to have posted 'Sad' before adding your MRAs line. FP'd for being a tad heartless!

i'd assumed that may was told to stay and soak up the blame for the unfolding disaster that |||||| alludes to until an opportune moment presented itself

however, i suspect the nature of this unfolding disaster specifically precludes an opportune moment from occurring

Reading about the 1979 No Confidence motion has got me excited now. Is a poetic reversal of it really unlikely?

@DawnHFoster 1h1 hour ago
Priti Patel hasn't turned up to answer the urgent question on her conduct because she's taken holiday

Damn whose army is she trying to fund now?

She'll last until she's seen to be actively endagering the whole idea of Brexit. Unfortunately for the rest of us that means she's going to have to move closer and closer to the fanatics.

@GuardianHeather
Johnson turns on Thornberry, accusing her of "seeking to score political points", deflecting blame from the Iranian regime.

Well there we are.

So, they aren't having a Cabinet meeting, they're having a fight out in the yard. Right?

Carl Sargeant.

Or, does it have to be on the rolling RIP thread first?

FP'd for being a tad heartless!

that's fine, i agree!

.@Number10press confirms that the Prime Minister learned about Priti Patel's plan to give aid money to the Israeli army from the BBC, today.

— Robert Hutton (@RobDotHutton) November 7, 2017

Fuck me this is an absolute clown car.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/07/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-requests-meeting-with-boris-johnson

Why the fuck did Johnson personally ever have to comment on what this woman was or wasn't doing btw? Anyone have more details on the initial arrest (I read a tweet saying that Reuters trains journalists however as the letter from the Reuters CEO says she was there on a family holiday)?

priti patel not exactly doing wonders for that particular explanation

Priti's claims of proposing int aid to the Israeli military would contravene current UK policy in occupied Palestinian territories, it's total bs!

Any explanation of what she's doing going on holiday with Stuart Polak anyway?

peston's reporting patel is going

So I am hearing that Priti Patel is likely to be sacked within hours. That would be two cabinet ministers gone in a week.

— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 7, 2017

fond memories of the media ripping on Corbyn because he couldn't fill a shadow cabinet

Priti's husband looks impossibly tall, maybe her husband is an animatronic robot cunningly concealing two more lobbyists!