Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

Doesn’t help that the Saudi line of succession is more difficult to follow than the end of the Plantagenets.

My take on "Chapo truther" is that the episodes that were "eaten by the computer" were actually deliberately destroyed because they were too offensive and/or just sucked

Yes, the lack of evidence for an inclination one weirdly wants to be true is obviously evidence for that thing being true.

But Brendan's departure undermines this theory. Maybe he was just fired for incompetence.

Oh FFS what aspect of _any_ of the show gives you any slight indication that this is how it would work? Where would “incompetence” fit into any justifiable reasoning for an action? Matt wears socks & crocs in public with mysterious BBQ stains on them, Felix forgets to talk into his own mic when he’s trying to reference another old HBO drama, Will is soaked thru with upper middle class manhattanite upbringing, Virgil will forget to comment on an episode because he’s watching pro football on his phone for the entirety of the recording session, and Amber isn’t there most of the time.

yeah, well they kicked Bob Stinson out of the fucking Replacements

so eric garland is ilx poster dan i huh

OK, this is a claim I believe

― Simon H., 6. november 2017 20:44 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Chapo truther" truthers

yeah, well they kicked Bob Stinson out of the fucking Replacements

This is true.

bummer man. i always like when Brendan chimes in. and i'm not much bothered by the slacker prod values

w/r/t what i said about incompetence- was referring to multiple occasions when they lost episodes & that they continued to use such a precarious and cheap recording setup. im not "the episodes weren't lost, they were TOO EXTREME TO RELEASE" truther lol

I attributed the continued shitty set-up just being a core aspect of the group. It isn’t so much that Brendan fucking up would breach some threshold requiring the rest asking him to leave, it more that none of them really know what they’re doing(still). Or how to ask for help, apparently.

also they just don't care and their fuckups are costing them nothing

we're still talking about why the dirtbag podcast with the Jared Fogle jokes doesn't sound like Dolby Atmos surround sound

I'm waiting for the remastered Chapo box set in 2026.

we're still talking about why the dirtbag podcast with the Jared Fogle jokes doesn't sound like Dolby Atmos surround sound

No, we’re not. We’re talking about why they can’t achieve the basic fidelity or reliability reached by the drunkest of late night college radio shifts that remain on the air past three weeks

whiney you're approaching turrican level density on this subject

Taking Sides: The White Album vs. CTH Freeway Ross Douthat Episode

The audio quality of podcasts is completely unimportant

The audio quality of podcasts is completely unimportant

― een, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:50 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ding ding ding

i do not care about the sound quality of chapo or the fact that they sometimes delete episodes like witless goons and i don't understand why anyone cares

i couldn't get through the puerto rico episode because the guest said "like" every other word

Found Amber:

https://youtu.be/xV4CvMnyLTc

Why Trump Is Not a Fascist: A Conversation with Vivek Chibber and Achin Vanaik

Published on Nov 7, 2017 Achin Vanaik (“The Rise of Hindu Authoritarianism”) and Vivek Chibber (“Postcolonial Theory and the Specter of Capital”) discuss new forms of authoritarianism and nationalism in the age of Modi, Putin, Erdogan, and Trump. The discussion is moderated by Amber A’Lee Frost (“Current Affairs” and “Chapo Trap House”).

The audio quality of podcasts is completely unimportant

― een, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:50 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ding ding ding

i never have any issue hearing or understanding what's being said on chapo. and i literally mostly listen to it out of my phone speaker perched on top of something in my kitchen while cooking dinner

damn dude
For real though listening thru phone speakers helps a lot when the issue is compression. The most recent guest they had on wasn’t up on the mic enough and I had to turn my speakers way up, just checked & it sounds much better thru my phone

I had to pause during the PR segment because I was getting too mad while commuting but it only lasts 20-25 minutes anyway.

I don’t want to have to explain road rage driven by Chapo Trap House and the fact that ostensibly the preeminent developed world superpower leaves thousands of citizens to die every decade or so now.

so hey this is neat

It's not even close anymore!!! Someone get on Lexis Nexis and check to see when a socialist last won an election in Virginia, if ever pic.twitter.com/QnFqt1aOqc

— sick transit, gloria (@samknight1) November 8, 2017

six people endorsed nationally by DSA up for some kind of election tonight, including the aforementioned

Live Election Results ☑ for DSA candidates 🌹 mega thread ⬇

— 🗳 (@ryanmosgrove) November 7, 2017

Fuck yeah! I’ve followed Lee Carter a bit. He seems really promising.

The fact that he got no support from state Dems makes it even sweeter

lol, mailer his opponent sent

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOEmU_tWkAI59h-.jpg

that looks like a sick 7" cover

damn jim in vacouver is so good at listening to podcasts, you whiners could learn a lesson

nice of them to include engels

hey what happened to @liberalism.txt, just noticed hasn't tweeted since early august

i bought a decoration like this in china, had engels on it. in fact might have been this exact pic minus the VA house of delegates candidate and the captions on the foreheads for the morons reading it

FUCKING AMAZING. TWO DSA MEMBERS UNSEATED LONGTIME INCUMBEMTS IN SOMERVILLE

— Beth Huang 🌹 (@bphuang12) November 8, 2017

Found Amber:

https://youtu.be/xV4CvMnyLTc

cool link. i like a lot of what chibber has to say and agree w/ a lot of his argument however

he takes it as a given that the capitalist elite *gave* the country to the fascists in order to combat the rise of organized labor. now it's obv incontrovertible that big business cooperated w/ the nazis (and even non-german companies of all sorts). but has this more direct case - that the elite chose the fascists - been made strongly anywhere? i know it's the CW left explanation for rise of fascism in 20th century but since so much of his argument hinges on that i'd love to see it laid out w/ more detail? does anyone know? bc he is basically arguing that fascism is not coming to the West because the elites are in control and have all the power and aren't going to let fascism take power. they aren't being threatened by organized labor so they have no reason to turn to drastic measures. but what if fascism is truly a populist phenomenon? one could foresee circumstances where fascism became extremely popular and the elites kowtowed to the movement from a position of weakness even now. corporations have financial monopolies but a fascist controlled gov would still have a monopoly on violence.

that's the orthodox view. depends what your idea and criteria for true populism is; there obviously had to be a lot of things in place but I don't know if there are many people out there who think hindenburg et al backing hitler wasn't a crucial & decisive factor

i was thinking about hindenburg but i don't think that's sufficient. i'd like to see evidence that ppl who owned capital gave the green light to hitler. like specifically saw organized labor as an existential threat and made a conscious decision to roll the dice with fascism.

i was reading the new kotkin last night and he does go into some internal german politics and in 1933 it seems like the conservatives still felt like they could puppet Nazis and keep their right-wing coalition in Germany. "Traditional conservatives imagined that they could "tame" Hitler and the radical right while achieving a broadened anti-left coalition. On January 30, 1933, von Papen -- having secured the vice-chancellorship for himself -- escorted the Nazi ruffian into the Chancellery, for the oath of office, through a rear door." is this much different than our current situation where the conservative GOP felt they could hitch their wagons to Trump to achieve electoral success and weren't concerned about him taking control? chibber is arguing that it is -- that in Germany there was material support and, he emphasizes, a "green light." so how was Hitler given a green light but Trump was not? it seems more to me like you can try to control these forces but at some pt if the populist wellspring is powerful enough they can overwhelm you.

hitler had a lot more power than trump and in a much more chaotic and destabilised situation. from an outside perspective it seems that the US is one of the countries best-equipped to weather a trump-type figure

fwiw i agree - i'm just curious about this particular supposition (and like i pointed out, it has important consequences for chibber's argument as he makes it).

not sure what you'd count as fully confirmatory evidence, mordy, but the presence of hjalmar schacht in hitler's cabinet and his close association with fritz thyssen are usually considered somewhat dispositive?

between them they organised the 1932 letter hindenburg urging he appoint hitler chancellor and persuaded the association of german industrialists (inc.voegler of united steel works and the krupps, plus the likes of emile kirdorf and the publisher hugo bruckmann) to donate some 3 million reichsmarks to the nazi party for the 1933 election

(there's possibly an element in the commitment to this story of far left distrust of keynesianism as a technocratic mollification of the workers that wasn't itself socialist: schacht was an inspired and very effective keynesian when it came to reducing unemployment in the reich, building autobahns etc) (tho of course he was a reactionary in cultural terms, where keynes was a liberal)

persuaded the association of german industrialists (inc.voegler of united steel works and the krupps, plus the likes of emile kirdorf and the publisher hugo bruckmann) to donate some 3 million reichsmarks to the nazi party for the 1933 election

this is basically what i was looking for. any suggestions for where i can read more about this?

"the association of german industrialists" seems more dispositive to me than the presence of schacht in the cabinet or his association with thyssen. after all - trump has associations in the capitalist community (the mercers, or devos, etc) but we understand that doesn't imply the full weight of the elites (and in fact koch bros have distanced themselves from him)..

well i first read about schacht in eugene lyons' biography of RCA founder david sarnoff -- which isn't much help but is where i picked up on his importance and role in the 20s and 30s… i take yr point but i still suspect the best sources would be books focused on schacht or thyssen, since they were in effect the pointmen of the tendency?

(schacht was a big deal -- as an international banker he had pre-hitler sway in the US and was extremely well known to all the major german industrialists, and admired by many; probably also worth noting that this latter wasn't an enormously wide circle of people, compared to its equivalent in america today)

goering was of that establishment class (and anti-war) which helped make him a key schmoozer and go-between for hitler, facilitating what i guess would be the pivotal meeting from this POV:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Meeting_of_20_February_1933

thx, that's helpful. what i'd really like to see is the marxist case laid out in detail. The wiki page says: "According to Marxist researchers, including Kurt Pätzold, this meeting provides further evidence of the financing of the Nazi Party by big business.[8]" unfortunately footnote 8 goes to Pätzold, Kurt; Manfred Weißbecker (1981). Hakenkreuz und Totenkopf, Die Partei des Verbrechens. Berlin. p. 213. something in english obv preferable.

i'll check out this tooze book tho (wages of destruction)

not read it but this is oft-cited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Thirty_Days_to_Power

Yep, gunna need a leftist American politics thread.

https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans

Anyone have a clever name?