Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

cool that the right is focusing more on the "good guy with a gun" who pursued him and (apparently) killed him and will inevitably point to that as Reason No. 1 why the solution is to just arm everyone

yes it worked so well this time

That's the part that gets me. It's almost as though the underlying argument were something like 'as long as the lex talionis is enforced by a heroic gunslinger, the death toll is negligible, as the victims did not die in vain.' Fitting for a state that will never abolish the death penalty.

youngest victim now reported as 18 months old

if you're about to blow away a bunch of people, plz just kill yourself, if you must.

So the guy was pissed at his mother-in-law, and it was her church.

From the NYT "Readers React" section:

“The right to own guns is part of the Constitution and these much publicized but rare shootings ought to be tolerated as the price of freedom.”
— LR, Texas

“I am so fortunate that at my synagogue many of the congregants legally wear weapons to services. They are very well trained as well.”
— Jack M, New York

Would be interesting to know how often, and how high a casualty count, ought to be tolerated. Just as, y'know, a benchmark.

Some original intent/strict construction motherfuckers should start pointing out that the Constitution says NOTHING about "owning guns," it says something about "bearing arms." Pass a new amendment that states that, in the Second Amendment, "arms" shall be understood to refer only to halberds, morningstars and nunchucks, and see how things change.

"Why, at the last big shootout at my synagogue, the assailant only killed one and wounded four before he got plugged by two of the menschs who sit behind me. Yes, living in a fully-armed society has added so much security to my life, it's hard to describe the depth of my gratitude for the second amendment."

Anyone who says that mass shootings should be tolerated as the price of freedom should be shot in the face with a gun. IMO. Hey, it's just the price of freedom, guy.

Fucking monster. Say that shit to the families of the victims.

never read the comments

absolutely goddamn right

Too true. It just becomes more of a challenge as America slowly morphs into an internet comments section.

Neighbors said they heard rapid gunfire coming from around Kelley's home in the days leading up to the shooting rampage.

"It's really loud. At first I thought someone was blasting," Ryan Albers, 16, told The Associated Press. "It had to be coming from somewhere pretty close. It was definitely not just a shotgun or someone hunting. It was someone using automatic weapon fire."

Another neighbor, Mark Moravitz, told KSAT that he didn't notice anything unusual about Kelley but also mentioned hearing gunfire.

"Shocking. [You] never think your neighbor is capable of something like that," he said. "I mean, the only thing unusual across the street is we hear a lot of gunfire, a lot of times at night. We hear gunfire a lot, but we're out in the country."

We hear gunfire a lot, but we're out in the country.

Well, yeah, of course, duh.

i can't stand the rain, upon my window, bringing back sweet memories

darn wrong thread

this is heartwrenching. Details of the 8 members of the Holcombe family that died in the church

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/shooting-victims-texas.html

“There wasn’t anyone left to console”

~unproven~ allegations linking texas shooter to far-right atomwaffen group and other fishy, upsetting shit-
https://medium.com/@EugeneVDebian/sutherland-springs-shooter-member-of-far-right-neo-nazi-group-atomwaffen-a358b920fc86

Really not sure why a right wing agitator would mow down men, women and children at a tiny Texas church.

Which just happened to be frequented by his in-laws, who he detested.

xp to blame "antifa"

my answer to that would be : you can be a far right agitator but also have other motivations for comitting violence.
like i said, ~unproven~ but uhh.. upsetting.

"kill my inlaws, start the race war" two birds/one stone..

ppl who belong to far-right neo-nazi groups may be predisposed to general un-ideologically motivated violence based on their receptiveness to hate affect

^ just a theory

Really not sure why a right wing agitator would mow down men, women and children at a tiny Texas church.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:46 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp to blame "antifa"

― sleeve, Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:48 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a "false flag" if you will

seeing the likes of Cernovich and Prison Paul immediately declare this an antifa led "anti-white" hate crime kinda led me to suspect something strange was going on, though tbf they'd probably do that no matter what

yes they would do that no matter what

The gunman who killed 26 people in a rural Texas church on Sunday escaped from a psychiatric hospital while he was in the Air Force, after making death threats against his superiors and trying to smuggle weapons onto the base where he was stationed, a 2012 police report shows.

Police took the man, Devin P. Kelley, into custody at a bus station in downtown El Paso, where he apparently planned to flee on a bus after escaping from Peak Behavioral Health Services, a hospital a few miles away in Santa Teresa, N.M. He was sent there after being charged in a military court with assaulting his wife and baby stepson, charges he later pleaded guilty to.

The report filed by the El Paso officers says that the person who reported Mr. Kelley missing from the hospital advised them that he “suffered from mental disorders,” and that he “was attempting to carry out death threats” against “his military chain of command.” The man “was a danger to himself and others as he had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base,” it added. The police report was published on Tuesday by KPRC, a Houston television station.

Later that year, Mr. Kelley pleaded guilty in a military court to repeated assaults on his wife and her son, a toddler, including one that left the boy with a fractured skull. He was sentenced to a year in a Navy prison.

one year

what the fuck

It's cool though no need to put anything embarrassing in his personal record that might stop him from someday being able to buy guns.

(Reuters) - At least three people were killed in a shooting at an elementary school in Northern California on Tuesday and the shooter was killed by law enforcement, Sacramento television station KCRA reported.

A number of students were airlifted for medical care as a result of the shooting at Rancho Tehama School near the community of Corning, the station reported, citing a sheriff's official.

"I know of at least three deaths," Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston told KCRA.

at least 2 children wounded

http://www.newsweek.com/three-dead-school-shooting-711402

:( it ended up even worse:

this barely made headlines today. that's where we are now. https://t.co/5AuW5Yu7hx

— pj (@pjhoody) November 15, 2017

oops, meant to post:

JUST IN: At least 5 dead, including shooter, after shooting spree in Northern California. Suspect opened fire at 7 different scenes, including elementary school, officials say.

— ABC News (@ABC) November 14, 2017

other than morbs' post, i didn't even hear anything about it today.

the details of that story are horrific, basically it was pure instinct and good fortune that led to the school going on lockdown. he tried for a few minutes to enter and gave up.

well okay I was having a pretty good day until now

god dammit our country needs so much surgery

I got notifications from AP when it happened and throughout the day but nothing from NYT or WaPo

well okay I was having a pretty good day until now

― El Tomboto

i would argue you’re still having a pretty good day because there wasn’t a child massacre today

we did our lockdown practice last week. ended up arguing w the kids abt whether or not it would be a good idea to arm ourselves w box cutters saws and hammers from the engineering workroom or not (during a real lockdown not during the drill)

Run, Hide, Fight. If you did the first two and wind up in a place with limited egress (i.e. run and hide options have been exhausted) then preparing to fight is absolutely what you should do. You and your school district are welcome to contact my colleagues who do this shit for a living. Sadly, that's a job that exists.

https://www.dhs.gov/active-shooter-preparedness

Saturday morning, I was buying tires at Sam's. Two guys behind me- one older Jerry Van Dyke fella and this big middle-aged black guy wearing an Alabama sweater.

"Whoa there, pard!" says Jerry. "When the shooter comes in here, he might aim for your Tide logo and hit me instead!"

"Haha," said the big guy. "Happens every week now, don't it!"

I was hoping the big guy would say "Taste's very strange!" but you can't win 'em all

May God be with the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI and Law Enforcement has arrived.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 15, 2017

The Cut and Paste President.

this made me want to punch the screen so I'm sharing it with you

There is no solution so why get angry. It's like the 64,000 opioid deaths last year. Free will.

— Christopher (@Chris_in_RI) November 14, 2017