a quick poll about Russia and Donald Trump

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fake news

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 November 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

all this Paradise Papers shit is ridiculous in a bad way. basically everything about this admin is completely mobbed up with Putin.

El Tomboto, Monday, 6 November 2017 01:36 (eight years ago)

or at least that's like the first two or three stories I've heard. that said I sincerely do welcome the ShariVari post wherein he just points out that it has ever been thus since at least 2000 and if you "elect" a Trump you should not be surprised by anything

El Tomboto, Monday, 6 November 2017 01:39 (eight years ago)

Hello,

I want Paradise Papers of class IX(Chemistry,Biology,Pakistan Studies,English & Sindhi) according to new syllabus.
Thanks..

cut cut (crüt), Monday, 6 November 2017 01:40 (eight years ago)

lol "elect"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 6 November 2017 01:43 (eight years ago)

lol, crut.

Fetchboy, Monday, 6 November 2017 02:28 (eight years ago)

Spoiler: he's going to ask Putin to solve North Korea and then Putin will take a big photo-op meeting with KJU to bask in adulation and annoy the shit out of the rest of the civilized world. nothing will come of it other than the US moving down another seven pegs in the estimation of basically everybody.

El Tomboto, Monday, 6 November 2017 03:33 (eight years ago)

Meuller must be pleased? Or perhaps he already had this dirt
"Other individuals directly or indirectly mentioned in the leaks include President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. A start-up company co-owned by Kushner and his brother received funding from Russian billionaire Milner in 2015."

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:53 (eight years ago)

The Russia stuff in this leak is weak sauce - so much so that a conspiracy theory has arisen suggesting that the Paradise Papers are part of a Russian infowar campaign to make other countries look bad in the wake of the much more damaging Panama Papers.

In reality, I think you are only ever going to learn a limited amount about hidden US assets from big international leaks like this when there are so many opportunities to hide resources within the US itself. The Delaware Papers would probably be much more damaging to Trump - and arguably to a bunch of Russian oligarchs.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)

It goes to show - stupid crooks rob banks, smart ones steal everyone's money legally

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

hillary should be in jail because uranium 1 but wilbur ross in business with the putin family is weak sauce. okay

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

The Delaware Papers would probably be much more damaging

yeah, this is otm

El Tomboto, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-papdopoulos-timeline-wikileaks-emails

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

Facebook and the fall of empires

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 6 November 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

The Panama Papers just prove that we need summary execution for all billionaires.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 6 November 2017 19:20 (eight years ago)

its an illness!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

Why bother mounting a Twitter campaign in favor of a guy who was only slightly more credible than Herman Cain? Here are a few guesses:

https://www.apnews.com/dea73efc01594839957c3c9a6c962b8a/Inside-story:-How-Russians-hacked-the-Democrats%27-emails

Why bother mounting a Twitter campaign in favor of a guy who was only slightly more credible than Herman Cain? Here are a few guesses:

- It was just a test. Social media manipulation was new to the Russians too, and they figured Trump might make an interesting test of how effective it could be.

- In the early days, you had to be very, very cynical about the United States to think that a race-baiting blowhard like Trump had a chance to win. Maybe Putin knew us better than we knew ourselves.

- The Russians never really thought Trump had a chance of winning. He just seemed like a good vehicle to sow a bit of random chaos.

- This whole thing started at a fairly low level by some guy who’d been pushing to “really try out this social media stuff.” His superiors finally got tired of him and told him to knock himself out. This low-level guy, it turns out, was a big Trump fan for personal reasons we’ll never know.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/wsj-russian-twitter-backed-trump-from-the-very-start/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

In the early days, you had to be very, very cynical about the United States to think that a race-baiting blowhard like Trump had a chance to win. Maybe Putin knew us better than we knew ourselves.

but then again who doesn't

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 November 2017 21:31 (eight years ago)

so did we arrest the Russians for treason via Facebook yet?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 November 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

Russia is going to be angry face reaction on facebook about that

Karl Malone, Monday, 6 November 2017 23:24 (eight years ago)

i tried to think of other courses of therapy as expensive and useless as this one and all i could come up with was xerxes' invasion of greece

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 November 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

Μολὼν λαβέ

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 16:11 (eight years ago)

"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam. Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit here, where the Russia meddling issue arose.

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."

"I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171110103001-01-trump-putin-handshake-apec-1110-exlarge-169.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin did not discuss alleged election meddling on Saturday, despite Trump saying they did, according to Putin’s office.

“No,” Putin's press secretary Dmitri Peskov told CNN when asked, “as far as you know, did the two leaders discuss meddling?"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:02 (eight years ago)

“Having a good relationship with Russia is a great, great thing,” Mr. Trump said. “This artificial Democratic hit job gets in the way, and that’s a shame, because people will die.”

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

So cute the way they arranged matching outfits.

piezoelectric landlord (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:00 (eight years ago)

If we don’t have a good relationship with Russia, people will die! thanks, dems!

correlated noise of conformity (Hunt3r), Saturday, 11 November 2017 16:08 (eight years ago)

i wish we could respect mr. trump's wishes and not make his boss angry with suggestions of impropriety, but . . .

george papadopolous to stephen miller: russia has "an interesting message" -- hillzo's stolen emails are "out there"

GP then went to athens at the same time mr. putin traveled there . . . his only trip to the EU that year

greece is a long way to go for coffee. yeesh!

http://www.businessinsider.com/george-papadopoulos-stephen-miller-trump-russia-clinton-2017-11

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 13 November 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

ancient news :)

https://www.inquisitr.com/4614677/donald-trump-allegedly-rigged-2002-miss-universe-pageant-so-vladimir-putins-mistress-would-win/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 20 November 2017 16:28 (eight years ago)

FWIW, there are serious murmurings, begging with recent Steele intimations but coming from other credible places, that all eyes should be on Trump's real estate deals, particularly in Florida, and that money laundering charges may be the ultimate end game.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 November 2017 16:31 (eight years ago)

The big hurdle with money laundering is establishing that Trump was aware of the source of the money being laundered. Proving that he profited massively from it would be the easy part.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 20 November 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

Well it's also obviously been the thing he's most openly annoyed/angry about the investigation possibly looking into. Which unsurprisingly means it's being further looked into.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 November 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

percentage of likelihood: russia hacked into and rigged the GOP primary, pre-guaranteeing 2scoops victory (otherwise, why would vain spiral combover man take his run seriously?), which has been GOP/Rove-muddied (what-about-ed) by "conservatives" who accuse the DNC (whom we know russia hacked) of rigging the democratic primary against bernie. 67%? 14%?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

the inevitable end of the fake news panic: large, unaccountable corporations making nativist, ideological judgement calls about what news we see and what we dont. https://t.co/5yMPUtb4xW

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) November 21, 2017

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/morning-joe-lays-out-damning-trump-russia-timeline-they-were-lying-through-their-teeth-all-of-them/

take that fox & friends :)

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:47 (eight years ago)

I don’t think Adam Johnson is actually from New York City.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:47 (eight years ago)

Per @MaxBlumenthal and @adamjohnsonNYC, RT plays a vital, critical role in

*squints*

regularly presenting literal Nazis as foreign policy experts. pic.twitter.com/I24MJHtXD1

— Pseudonymous (@PseudonymousRex) November 16, 2017

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)

adam johnson has never seen any news that wasn't fake, duh

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 17:57 (eight years ago)

The big hurdle with money laundering is establishing that Trump was aware of the source of the money being laundered. Proving that he profited massively from it would be the easy part.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, November 20, 2017 5:34 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well it's also obviously been the thing he's most openly annoyed/angry about the investigation possibly looking into. Which unsurprisingly means it's being further looked into.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, November 20, 2017 5:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Keeping in mind that all rumors are rumors until they're not, and that I readily acknowledge this scans ridiculous even as I type it, but I have a (reasonable, not crazy) friend who works as a lawyer in a government agency who himself has a lawyer friend from school in the FISA courts, and the FISA lawyer is apparently convinced that they actually have Two Scoops and a couple of his associates on tape re: the Florida stuff, and that per the high standard of proof with laundering cases Mueller is building his investigation from the ground up, leading to a smoking gun they already have. Sounds crazy, right? But also sounds totally plausible, and is totally in character for both good guys and bad guys involved. Keep in mind some of the sketchy folks surrounding Trump warranted FISA warrants before the election.

I really want to read this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PQDniFf2L._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg Terry Gross interview with the author was great.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

folks RT are not the only ones getting dinged xp

Cheering @googlenews’ decision to de-rank RT and Sputnik? It’s part of the company’s ongoing crackdown against “offensive sites.” Here are some other apparent targets.https://t.co/edTPsfhFby pic.twitter.com/J78w82crqM

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) November 20, 2017

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:08 (eight years ago)

can we stop saying "two scoops"?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:50 (eight years ago)

Ia that not a thing anymore? I don't usually write it, but I'm more sick of seeing/typing his name, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

actually simon the best way to deal with incipient fascism is to crack down on the press, it works every time. everyone knows the institutions of liberal democracy cannot defend themselves against serious attack and must be restrained for their own safety; besides, those who designed them could never have foreseen our modern media environment, in which uncredentialed people may reach and deceive large audiences without proper regulation. it is the corporations and big bourgeoisie that have the correct perspective on political dialogue at this time. they value democracy just as much as you and i do, and they will help to shield us from the threat of authoritarianism. also, another thing it's important to remember to do in these situations is to fill the national culture with a sense of humiliation at the hands of traitorous agents of a foreign power. you def wanna get so much of that in the air that even liberals go full schizo about treason and plot and start calling for military coups. this is all extremely healthy for democracy and if u think otherwise you are a useful idiot. soon donnie dum dums will be flusheroo-rooed and everything will go back to normal.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:06 (eight years ago)

Simon that's from a site that has many obvious troll articles on it and the data source they used for that is a "competitive intelligence" SEO for hire shop

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

There's a fine line between not wanting to actually say his name and sounding like Morbs. I'm not saying I know where to draw that line.

xxp

how's life, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

very trenchant, dlh

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

Morbs calls him Yam, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

My only thing is I like calling his son DJTJ because it makes him sound like a robot. Or a DJ.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

The specific data is questionable but aiui Google doesn’t dispute they are doing this. They recalibrated the news search algorithms to deprioritise content they deemed to be less ‘authoritative’ - using human raters to determine site value against a set of criteria that hasn’t been disclosed.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 19:30 (eight years ago)


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