brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

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Good grief that's completely moronic of Robinson who surely should understand how Tory leadership elections play out by now. Williamson has clearly and self-evidently shot his load too early here, it's not Machiavellian if everyone can see full well what you're up to, and I'd guess that he has about as much chance of getting the requisite number of Tory nominations as a hippo does.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:28 (six years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/863880635722612736/CM7No5F_.jpg

mark s, Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link

just on initial impressions he gives out such a creepy vibe, i can't see the electorate warming to him at all. add in the tarantula and the owls and he just makes me think of ann widdecombe's famous quote about michael howard: "he has something of the night about him"

plp will eat itself (NickB), Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:36 (six years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/smwlKB0Def

— tom (@malaiseforever) November 2, 2017

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:39 (six years ago) link

lol my auto spelling correction fucked me!

calzino, Saturday, 4 November 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link

love dat hippo

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link

Standing at the murder scene, with bloody knife in hand isn't good Machiavellian long game practise. But I think the sense of defeatism and impending doom in the party is very strong and perhaps Williamson thinks it is now or never. And maybe he never watched the og House of Cards.

calzino, Saturday, 4 November 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNyv97sVwAMvoc1.jpg

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 4 November 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link

I like how the picture captures his look of fear as he dreads being crushed by the Godzilla-like boot of matriarchy

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 4 November 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link

Indeed. He looks genuinely terrified, but ever so slightly aroused.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 4 November 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link

The Times, I think, are running a story on Damien Green having been caught with teen pornography on his work computer.

Green claims a former Met AC is trying to defame him.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 4 November 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link

What I don't understand is that senior politicians surely need to have security clearance, in which case all of this would have been found out (as I understand it one reason why they check up on your past is to test how likely you can be blackmailed).

Jill, Saturday, 4 November 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link

MPs don’t need security clearance. Their staff do.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 4 November 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link

aiui

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 4 November 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN0fT_oWsAAVtq6.jpg

"it is understood Quick intended to report the discovery of pornographic material to parliamentary authorities, but was forced to quit his job before the leaks inquiry was completed.." Definitely no love lost between these two. I'm not even sure how serious this is, as in porn described as "extreme" and "legal" in the same paragraph. But if it brings down this odious tosser it'll do for me.

calzino, Saturday, 4 November 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link

there’s a thread on problematic use of extreme (from a legal pov) here:

The use of the term "extreme" by the police here is problematic and a bit confusing (brief thread). https://t.co/GHwQQzt1wQ

— James Chalmers (@ProfChalmers) November 4, 2017

Fizzles, Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:17 (six years ago) link

"Extreme pornography" has a narrow legal meaning which you can find set out in this legislation: https://t.co/GYtLEHIdNH

— James Chalmers (@ProfChalmers) November 4, 2017



But that legislation did not come into force until early 2009, and could not apply here.

— James Chalmers (@ProfChalmers) November 4, 2017

Fizzles, Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:19 (six years ago) link

The suggestion is apparently that it was legal then and now but specialist police officers had to be drafted in to verify that as it wasn’t immediately obvious.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 5 November 2017 09:15 (six years ago) link

Green is right that these rumours have been circulating for nine years and no newspapers have printed them for lack of evidence. This obviously raises the question of why they are being printed now. The options are probably that they have been corroborated by other police officers and the ST has been sitting on the story for maximum impact or that there isn’t anything to substantiate the story but there is a pretty good chance that Green won’t sue given the other allegations against him. It could be open season on a number of MPs either way.

Rachel Johnson is sticking the knife into Andrea Leadsom atm:

This intra-Tory warfare on men’s right to be lechers is genuinely mind-boggling. pic.twitter.com/6goOBOqBon

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) November 5, 2017

The war within the party isn’t going to blow over any time soon.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 5 November 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link

imagine being on that rota. you'd need a thick skin and a wicked sense of humour. xpost

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 November 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link

They might have thought they'd discovered a cache of extreme cannibalism porn when they saw his Half Man Half Biscuit folder.

calzino, Sunday, 5 November 2017 10:50 (six years ago) link

if there's a counterforce within the tory party that is keen enough to respond to public disgust on this topic that it defies the tory whips and mobilises to demonise them (risking all the dangers of the party being out of power for a long time as actual real socialism is being brought back) then i would maybe start to bet against the whips, as the crew that rides this out

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

actually i was slow-witted on this: of course the counterforce within toryism that has emerged (fingers x-ed to pull it apart) is a viciously reactionary counterstrike against the widened role of women as independent judges of morality and political value (in the world but more immediately in the tory movement, the tory party being the oldest extant political party in the world*, with an unmatched fvckton of experience of devious manoeuvre, adaptive rebadging and etc) (hence of course unleashing women against women) -- and some of it is kraken-wakes ideology in its perceived moment of high danger (which can make it dangerous bcz desperate, but can also make it unpredictably self-destructive)

but yes: two distinct lines of fracture is too many easily to manage -- panicked and "well they would say that" is an intensely nagl combo, leaving the usual-suspect newspapers right on the lip of being an actual media and cultural irrelevance look like drunks pulling on a lever that stopped working the way it used to a significant time ago

*1678: there was still a stuart on the throne

mark s, Sunday, 5 November 2017 11:02 (six years ago) link

"drunks pulling on a lever that stopped working the way it used to a significant time ago"

We've all been there before!

calzino, Sunday, 5 November 2017 11:19 (six years ago) link

Also a good summary of the UK productivity crisis.

calzino, Sunday, 5 November 2017 11:22 (six years ago) link

good chris dillow piece making the same point (calzino's productivity point) at greater length

mark s, Sunday, 5 November 2017 11:26 (six years ago) link

the photo of Ken Branagh and Michele Pfieffer on this page o_O

This intra-Tory warfare on men’s right to be lechers is genuinely mind-boggling. pic.twitter.com/6goOBOqBon

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) November 5, 2017

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Sunday, 5 November 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link

... aaaaand another one...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-whip-chris-pincher-quits-11473554

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 November 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link

The Queen’s private estate has invested about £10m offshore, #ParadisePapers reveal https://t.co/mJlCewkM8b pic.twitter.com/o84by0LJhh

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) November 5, 2017

It's just so unexpected

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 5 November 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

"Labour MP Dame Margaret Hodge says she is furious with those who advise the Queen"

lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 5 November 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link

^ that's delightfully old school; the monarch can never be wrong, but their advisors may be

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 November 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link

I'm sure when Brenda is swilling brandy and cackling like a Bond villain in her secret antechamber, where she is surrounded by nazi memorabilia and skulls and the impending spector of her own death. She will be crying real tears about who to leave the Brighthouse/Soylent Green shares to rather than WTF!

calzino, Monday, 6 November 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link

Great clip on BBC of Lord Ashcroft walking around dodging a reporter's questions for over two minutes just muttering "dear dear dear..." before finally ducking into the gents.

nashwan, Monday, 6 November 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link

before finally ducking into the gents.

aka the Livingstone Manoeuvre

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 6 November 2017 09:34 (six years ago) link

Queen must apologise or else amirite etc.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link

http://www.trust.org/contentAsset/raw-data/a0a48cc4-60d3-4c02-886b-6414a03594a3/document

Shit like this is not fucking funny and if Johnson still hasn't corrected his remark and apologised then he should be fired immediately. There's shooting your mouth off and then there's actively endangering people.

Matt DC, Monday, 6 November 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link

Imagine getting into trouble abroad and depending on that arrogant prick to work the diplomatic channels, you'd be terrified.

calzino, Monday, 6 November 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link

One of the things that people who know him have always criticised is his lack of attention to detail and then sort of laughed it off, presumably in the belief that no one would give him a job that actually mattered, and even then there'd probably be someone around to do all the heavy lifting. That quote is an obvious example of why that matters, he didn't even bother to understand the basics of what he was talking about and thought he could wing it in what is clearly a highly perilous and delicate situation.

Matt DC, Monday, 6 November 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link

Priti Patel having to eat humble pie, will no doubt survive, but the knives seem to be out for her.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link

she had 12 meetings under the radar of the foreign office with her lobbyist pal during the trip, including with Netanyahu. Even Hilary Clinton is wondering why she isn't toast already!

calzino, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link

had been blithely assuming that the gov surely cannot blunder itself into a (catastrophically bad) no deal situation.... however have been reading “the blunders of our governments” and it is doing nothing for my confidence on this

||||||||, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link

the poll tax, the CSA, the ERM, pensions misselling.... these were all eminently avoidable foot shootings

||||||||, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link

Back from meetings in Brussels. There's good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it's... extremely bad. 1/

— Jonathan Lis (@jonlis1) November 6, 2017

This thread will cheer you up then.

calzino, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link

Patel has to resign over this.

As for Johnson:

Boris Johnson's statement on his comments about Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. No retraction. No apology. pic.twitter.com/wF2GSSv5WU

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) November 6, 2017

xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link

“I haven’t had to have a wank for 20 years,” Johnson is quoted as saying in Gimson’s biography.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/11/joke-s-over-how-boris-johnson-damaging-britain-s-global-stature

||||||||, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

This is absolutely extraordinary: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-international-development-secretary-priti-patel

If both this pair stay we are hurtling towards the Trump situation. Except with a craven and cringing figurehead.

stet, Monday, 6 November 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link

an activity-packed holiday. the fam must have been delighted.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link

two naive questions:

while I'm, obviously, embarrassed by how the govt. has gone about backing away from anything approaching a solid statement on the EU divorce bill, I'm not entirely sure why it isn't the EU's hand to play first? i.e. why don't they just tell us what the bill is since they obviously know what they think it should be.

another point I'm not entirely clear about it the UK opposition's hand-wringing about whether there should be a second referendum on the deal when it is finalised. Do they seriously expect the EU to arrive at a deal after two or more years of negotiation costing hundreds of millions, if not billions of euros, having wasted many thousands of hours of EU time and manpower and thrown the EU into disarray for two+ years for them to then had it either to the UK people or the UK parliament for a vote in order for us to reject it? and then what? they go, okay let's just forget about it and pretend the last two years didn't happen? / or they say well you voted against the deal so there's no deal, goodbye (the UK collapses) / or they spend hundreds of millions more and valuable time renegotiating because we declined to accept it?

I honestly don't have a clue.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link

because or they say well you voted against the deal so there's no deal, goodbye (the UK collapses) seems the most likely and the most pointless route for those opposing brexit to pursue.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:09 (six years ago) link

calzino - the tweet you posted last. the guy forgot to detail the good news....

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:34 (six years ago) link

the good news was hidden, my mistake.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 02:39 (six years ago) link


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