Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

17 is adolescent, don't kid yourself

otm, although we should probably allow better discretion in cases of relationships where one is 17 and the other is, say, 19, because statutory rape in most jurisdictions carries implications that could be considered a little harsh for somebody who has just become an adult, and where neither party has much influence on the outcome, certainly not compared to the "real" adults who are likely to engage with the case i.e. parents

all that of nuance is of course rather jejune on a thread about fucked up shit where the abusers have held order of magnitude more power and influence than the victims, even fucking Toback

the impossibility of discussing this properly is depressing

so sorry you can't have a reasoned debate over the ethics of pederasty because it triggers an emotional response in people who don't appreciate being told that statutory rape is supposed to be good for them! so so so sorry

here's black and white: if you're in your 20s+ and you have have sex with a 14 year old on the off chance that it won't impart to them a lifetime of psychological trauma, you're a pedophile and a rapist.

on the off chance that that child grew up and had nothing but positive memories of the experience, you're still a pedophile and a rapist

until you can invent a time machine that'll send you 50 years in the future so you can have an adult conversation with the child you had sex with and they tell you "i'm glad it happened and do not consider myself taken advantage of or raped", you're a pedophile and a rapist

just like how in the off chance that you violently rape an adult who happens to have a violent rape fetish you knew nothing about, and they couldn't be happier about it, you're still a rapist

full stop

that's it

don't give a shit about your shades of grey, don't know why this is difficult, fuck off

but congrats to morbs for popping in to reference a movie no one was talking about so the conversation deflects to debating a much smaller age gap, gj

You are having an argument with literally no-one - maybe get some sleep, man.

having an argument on a topic i didn't bring up, that has come up here before specifically by posters who have contributed to this exact conversation, that has been written on and defended in popular publications, and i'm sick of shutting up over it, and i'm definitely sick of hearing that emotional responses to rape are stifling some great debate club antics that are supposed to be happening

TNR publisher Hamilton Fish resigns amid harassment allegations https://t.co/GKeLuOl1Fp

— Jessica Schulberg (@jessicaschulb) November 3, 2017

no! he was the pillar of the grant administration!

if you were a gay kid who had a positive sexual experience w/ an older man and you consider it a good thing that happened, i'm genuinely not trying to take that away from you

but it doesn't negate anything i put in that post

anyway i'm done, i'm out, that's all

Otm.

Forty seconds of hell not-quite-unleashed.

Uma Thurman's response when asked about the flood of sexual misconduct allegations....wow. pic.twitter.com/Sw5Br1GwFg

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 4, 2017

whoa.

<3

^^^

she hasn't been in a movie since Burnt (2015) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uma_Thurman#Filmography , which was released by...

and next year she's doing another Von Trier movie?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-all-bill-clintons-fault/2017/11/03/ee16c574-c0df-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c2fa29724088

a Hot Take

I suspect (but can't prove) von Trier has been better behaved since he sobered up

Asia Argento flees Italy after public condemns her for speaking out about Harvey Weinstein

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:02 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ugh wtf Italy

― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:03 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:09 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This seems to be an Italian thing. Was having a conversation about Weinstein with an Italian (female) colleague of mine and she wasn't exactly sympathetic towards his accusers.

I suspect (but can't prove) von Trier has been better behaved since he sobered up

― Simon H., 4. november 2017 22:04 (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suspect it happened before this. Charlotte Gainsbourg came to his defense, and she's been working with him since 2009. And I don't think you could do Antichrist and have the leading actress interested in working with you again unless you were quite professional.

On the other hand, his marriage recently fell apart because he got caught having an affair with a writer who then wrote about it. And his longterm producer/business partner Peter Aalbæk Nielsen is being forced off the credits of his new film because his answer to allegations of sexual harassment was 'yeah, I probably did that, but I've forgot about it, so it's her problem'.

When the Zentropa story is retold in a couple of years the story is going to be MUCH different than it has been.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/harrydreyfuss2/actor-harry-dreyfuss-when-i-was-18-kevin-spacey-groped-me?utm_term=.kvNEp8xl6#.twX5qnBA0

that Uma Thurman video 0_0 wow

saying so little, yet saying so, so much

Harry Dreyfuss story is chilling. The blatantcy, smug confidence, all of it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN1a9QKWsAAd74f.jpg

on the heels of blaming Rose McGowan for not coming forward sooner

ooof

Have any of these guys ever heard of the phrase "No comment"?????????

Is this your first encounter with Alec Baldwin? This is not even the first time this year that he's closed his personal twitter and immediately used his charity's account to attack someone for social justice politics and their career choices

But that looks like a new low.

Baldwin's "I've bullied women" comment makes me think he's done far worse and is trying to control the narrative before it comes out.

he's an incredible jerk, but that kinda speculation is the kinda pitchfork-and-torches stuff i find disquieting

I mean, Bourdain does eat worms on his show...

I mean, this is "screaming at his daughter over the phone" Alec Baldwin

alec "screaming at his daughter over the phone" baldwin

was that in response to something they said to him?

it was a custody thing: Baldwin took out his anger at the mother on the daughter, when the mother had the daughter call Baldwin to say that she wasn't going to make a handover

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies

I know about the yelling at the daughter thing; I meant was the bourdain/argento post in response to something direct that they said?

I fucking hate twitter

wow @ that New Yorker article

Criminal prosecutions aside, surely to god there's an avalanche of lawsuits coming that will leave Weinstein bankrupt for life.

re: the new yorker article, god knows what other shit he pulled that we don't know about, if this came out...

Ronan Farrow deserves a vaca right about now.

I'm always amazed at how much work must go into those New Yorker articles. Makes me feel like an invertebrate.

an avalanche of lawsuits coming that will leave Weinstein bankrupt for life.

It's a nice thought, but I'll believe that when I see it. The accusations can all be true and yet have insufficient evidence to succeed in extracting damages in court. It's more likely he'll die rich, but largely shunned by everyone he knew in the movie industry.

wow this NYT statement to @brianstelter. Goes hard at David Boies for helping suppress Weinstein accusers while also representing the paper pic.twitter.com/2rXqtUTMxm

— Matt Mittenthal (@mattmittenthal) November 7, 2017

Boies is definitely the one taking the hit in that new story. Also just surreal having a spy on the books to talk to everyone to extract information.

horrifying
esp wrt sexual assault

oh god, I just got a promotional email from the local newspaper

Don't Miss Alec Baldwin Live

sorry, think I will

he's gonna be promoting his new book at a local prestige movie theater, sold out a while ago