Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

oh fuk

TIME FOR SOME GAME THEORY

🤔

Anybody think they’ll be at least some (more that premise) ref to the Strugatsky Bros in the flick adapting Jeff Van der Meer’s book?

Not really gonna waste any more time on the willful obtuseness of two posters I have never seen before today plus Dan I. Catch you boys when the next preemo ep drops. *throws up hang loose sign and skateboards into the sunset*

Chris Hayes longs to be a dirtbag so bad

The crudest Marxist analysis of current American capitalism is much closer to being right than a lot of what passes for conventional wisdom

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) November 2, 2017

i imagine chris agrees with chapo on all the things they actually have opinions on; he just like, also has wonky opinions on policy and stuff

lol dbs didnt invent being left

he's also referenced lefty meme shit a bunch

of course what he hasn't done is put any actual leftists on television lol

he said Trump was like @dril yesterday

he's had bhaskar on before for sure

bhaskar?

Is dril a lefty meme, or just weird?

bhaskar?

― Simon H., Thursday, November 2, 2017 7:21 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how do u call yourself db and not be on first name basis w my boy Bhaskar Sunkara smh

there are a lot of dirtbags these days!

there's a significant logical fallacy in Savage's Russia stuff up there, I think it's the fallacy of the undistributed middle but it's been a long time since I was on deck-of-cards familiarity with those terms but anyway the leap from "look, you wouldn't need Russians to have Trump" to "concern over election-meddling is exclusively about externalizing challenges to the liberal order"...that right there is a really weird leap whose central function is hobby-horsism imo

he specifically does not use language like "exclusively" in that thread and that he "does not want to generalize"

I don't really have a sense of how many people outside of twitter really think like this but there isn't a single Dem critic of any type or level of influence that hasn't been accused of being a Ruskie psyop at this point

That's exactly the kind of preemptive defense a Ruskie psyop would make!

fuck!!!!

right, that's the logical fallacy. it doesn't follow that there aren't any Russian bad actors, though on the left we have the legacy of years & years of U.S. propagandizing against the Soviets that rightly make people go "hold up, are we hoisting the Russian Punch puppet again?" Good and healthy instinct. Kind of obviously not what's in play now, given that "Russia" does not mean "the Soviet Union" in any sense at all & isn't the same bogeyman, at all. ("I don't want to generalize" is a nice thought to follow "almost whenever," eh)

Is dril a lefty meme, or just weird?

dril is a prophet, a seer, a sage - perhaps the most important mind of the 21st century

tbh most leftists I follow will say "well, there's definitley something there" when pressed on Russia and most centrists never go anywhere near the #theresistance twitter insanity of "chapo is paid by Russia" or w/e

granted there is a lot to clown about the way a lot of centrists frame the whole thing, the whole treason/Trump as Benedict Arnold shit, trying to go all gung-ho patriotic about the matter. I don't know if that's just an attempt to troll right-wingers/get moderate right-wingers on yr side or if it's actual naivete about the US as a nation, pretty obnoxious either way. But I do think the wilder conspiracy shit is the province of a vocal minority (amplified by "look at this asshole" type safaris on the left - don't get me wrong, I lol too) and so knee-jerk dismissal of the issue before terms are set on what's actually being talked about is counter-productive

I guess for me it's about priorities. let's say for argument's sake that Russian propaganda was able to flip, idk, 2% of the vote. (a purposely extreme figure.) the response to this should be to present a genuinely inspiring vision for the future that overwhelms the effect of that influence and mobilizes the disenfranchised. outside parties can only exacerbate divides and issues that are already present to have any impact; for instance they may have exploited BLM messaging but I don't think anyone itt would argue that BLM's concerns aren't real as hell.

oh and switch to paper ballots.

since this is also the nu left thread I just wanted to add that DSA seem to be rocking it with local races and messaging

We've got one more weekend to tell voters that Jon Grant is working to put people over profit! 🌹 Join us! #GoGranthttps://t.co/vK5SxTlyWy

— Seattle DSA🌹 (@SeattleDSA) November 3, 2017

#theresistance twitter insanity of "chapo is paid by Russia" or w/e

lol ok I'm way too out of the loop for this thread I had no idea this was a thing

it even made it into this thread!

it will catch up to "The Intercept is paid by Russia" if a couple more ilxors get on board

lol totally fair Simon, the thread is 3k posts long and I'm interested in left-of-Democrats politics but not in CTH at all so I'm a total tourist in this thread

I'll admit this thread is the only time I've ever heard that nonsense floated, but there's plenty equally insane theories out there. I mean when ppl start earnestly retweeting Louise Mensch you know things are dire.

*skulks off, having probably earnestly RTd LM a time or two before getting schooled*

we all have skeletons

Joan Crawford go on Chapo

would listen tbh

speaking of which I was relieved the newest ep was recorded too late to incorporate Brazilegate

good luck usa

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03/antifa-apocalypse-anarchist-groups-plan-to-overthrow-trump-regime-starts-saturday.html

Joan Crawford go on Chapo

https://media.giphy.com/media/dEvfjRZG0Fcn6/giphy.gif

just realized that I'm going to a counter-fascist demo tomorrow (aka the 4th) lmao

damn stay safe for real

I'm not worried, it's in TO and the anti-antifa hysteria really has not extended to canada (that I know of)

it did occur to me listening to the episode that they may not have taken the threat of actual serious fascist violence at one of these events (and it REALLY could based on the videos they described) seriously enough

like I'm absolutely 100% for clowning all these motherfuckers but I can't help but be reminded of Four Lions - it's all hilarious till there's a body count.

of course what he hasn't done is put any actual leftists on television lol

― Simon H., Thursday, November 2, 2017 7:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's had TNC on a bunch iirc

oh look, it's an opened can of worms

TNC is about as far left as people who make regular tv appearances get

like I'm absolutely 100% for clowning all these motherfuckers but I can't help but be reminded of Four Lions - it's all hilarious till there's a body count.

haven't heard the most recent one but i think they underrate how clownish the 30s were. sometime around the conventions last summer matt said you didn't need to worry about serious street violence from american fascists because rascal scooters blah blah but also for this allegedly more serious reason: because fascism is a death cult that requires the intense trauma of a ww1 and americans are just too if-you-will coddled. leaving aside the "um guns?" response here, a lot of the brownshirts were not of the war generation--hitler's generation--but of the one after it, which had grown up in a nonfunctioning peacetime economy totally immersed in war stories, in representations of heroic violence, whose inaccessibility to the 30s kids became tangled up w their other forms of frustration. these guys talked about the stab-in-the-back as much as the actual vets did. and tho proud boy types have maybe generally not personally experienced a lot of brutality they have definitely seen a lot of it, in fact obsessively aestheticized it, and also have some idea that it's what our country performs around the world w the assistance of their older brothers, hampered only by domestic stabs in the back. so as good for morale as it may be to be like lol we're gonna fuck you up nerds, important to take the times seriously. stay safe simon.

Should we have a separate thread for american left politics ? Distinguishing it from a podcast thread would be beneficial

xp Yeah that's a great point, someone mentioned the other day that "this is nothing like the Weimar Republic... we're not coming out of a devastating defeat in war..." ummmmmmmmm

if there's enough interest we should probably do a leftist political activities thread yeah