Netflix - Not bad! Qwikster - uh, never mind...

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(xpost) Haha yes I have.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I just recently re-started a Netflix account since it's no longer convenient for me to go to Video Vault down in Old Town Alexandria. Seems like they're carrying a lot broader selection than they used to when I used them 5-6 years ago!

phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

It's weird. You seem a much lighter grader than I, Alex/SF, but all the movies under the "movies we disagree over" blurb are movies I like:

Barry Lyndon
Eyes Wide Shut
Beetlejuice
The Last Temptation of Christ
Crash
It's a Wonderful Life
Rushmore
Million Dollar Baby

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 March 2006 06:03 (twenty years ago)

Netflix is a cheap whore. I've been signed up for just over two months and they're starting to throttle me. I sent them an item on Monday and I'm not due to get its replacement 'til Saturday. And the site's down. It's down a lot, isn't it? Boo.

(The other night I got "The Thief of Bagdad", which I know no video store in 100 miles stocks and it was GREAT so I still love you, Netflix. But please don't take advantage of me any more.)

Father Brian Eno (Father Brian Eno), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:00 (twenty years ago)

"You seem a much lighter grader than I, Alex/SF"

I'm tend just overrate movies that I likeso I get more movies recommendations like those. I also underrate "popular" movies that I didn't like so I get no more movies like that. It's a good system although lately they seem to be recommending more Mystery! series than I would like.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm on Greencine now, I like it better already. But we'll see after the honeymoon ends.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I await full downloads like others await the Singularity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Ned =

"I vow not to become involved, except when I become involved."

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 9 March 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha pretty much.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Green Cine is going great. One day turnarounds (to/fro), tons of OOP dvds. Much better service. I'm a fan.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

"I vow not to become involved, except when I become involved."

So true. But the pic is broken but I see not what is being linked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

*scrounges about* Ah right. Hm, never knew Galactus had an equal but opposite opponent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:15 (twenty years ago)

*watches ned scrounge, then flounce off*

;-O

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Nonsense, I haven't flounced anywhere yet!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:19 (twenty years ago)

could they have gotten more of Sleeper Cell?

fuck a very long wait...i have the bitch queued since a release date was announced! technology should know my desire.

Jimmy_tango, Thursday, 16 March 2006 03:12 (twenty years ago)

zip.ca did a cap recently so you only get 11 movies a month tops. fuck that.

currently on a free trial at canflix. it sucks but it's free.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
is it worth it to friends klust people?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

what? friends list

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Yes! Especially people like Alex in SF, because he watches EVERYTHING. I get maybe 1/2 of the stuff on my queue because of the friends lists, things I wouldn't normally have come across.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

one of my friends totally refuses to be anyone's netflix friend, because she doesnt want anyone knowing what she rents

i like my friend list ok - sometimes i get some ideas that way

SQUARECOATS (plsmith), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

ok, i added alex in sf. let's see if he will have me.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

pleasant plains and i are ditching netflix for good this month. no more anxious mailbox waiting.

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I've been watching movies at a slower clip these days. Sometimes I only get 5 a week heh. I haven't gotten an invite from you Roxy, but I'll totally be your friend.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

under the above address, right?

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Also, with a friends list, you get to see the $0.02 reviews as well as the star rating.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah that works.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Still loving GreenCine...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

i think we're going to switch to greencine after rejoining netflix for two months and getting 3 movies total - two weeks to register movies as "returned" sucks. and then the last one was sent from houston.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

when we first joined we had a 3-4 day return/send turn around to an out of state distribution center. then they put a distribution center in our town and suddenly it takes 7-9 days WTF???

sunny successor (katharine), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Downgraded to one disc at a time... At least until I catch up on my other media consumption.

Anyway, friend me too at this address.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

This friends thing is awesome.

Here are some movies your friends like much more than most Netflix customers:

Dumbo
Edward Scissorhands
Animal House

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Hey Jaq, Roxy, and AlexinSF, can i add you to my friends list?

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 11 May 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

sure thing, this address

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

i was totally underwhelmed by netflix when i tried it. did the 2 week trial, got three films during the period, they claimed they'd sent another 3 by the time i quit but hadn't arrived a week after they sent them. and the distribution center was like 20 mins away.

screenselect.co.uk is pretty decent, and i think they do a free month trial.

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 11 May 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

thanks! i need some movie ideas! right now most of my queue is tv shows (six feet under, scrubs, arrested dev, CYI, chappelle... etc).

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 11 May 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
Had to cancel :"-(. Turnaround times are now over ten days.

lk (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

They added a Memphis dist. center, so turnarounds are very fast now here.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

There's one where I live too, which makes it frustrating. It used to be one or two days.

lk (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

my turnaround time is 1 day -- there's a distribution center in santa ana.

real savage-like (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

my turnaround has been 1 day lately too. my usage has dropped a lot so they probably stopped throttling my account.

sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

i really want to see 'less than zero' again but no netflix :(

sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

mine has been pretty great for the past two months

Maf54 (plsmith), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I thought this revive was going to be about the Netflix Prize:

And if You Liked the Movie, a Netflix Contest May Reward You Handsomely

By KATIE HAFNER
Published: October 2, 2006

Netflix, the popular online movie rental service, is planning to award $1 million to the first person who can improve the accuracy of movie recommendations based on personal preferences.

To win the prize, which is to be announced today, a contestant will have to devise a system that is more accurate than the company’s current recommendation system by at least 10 percent. And to improve the quality of research, Netflix is making available to the public 100 million of its customers’ movie ratings, a database the company says is the largest of its kind ever released.

Recommendation systems, also known as collaborative filtering systems, try to predict whether a customer will like a movie, book or piece of music by comparing his or her past preferences to those of other people with similar tastes. Such systems will look at, say, the last 10 books, movies or songs a customer has rated highly and try to extrapolate an 11th.

Computer scientists say that after years of steady progress in this field, there has been a slowdown — which is what Netflix executives say prompted them to offer the problem to a wide audience for solution.

“If we knew how to do it, we’d have already done it,” said Reed Hastings, chief executive of Netflix, based in Los Gatos, Calif. “And we’re pretty darn good at this now. We’ve been doing it a long time.”

Nobody with the company will be eligible to compete, Netflix said, so that it does not appear that the contest favors insiders.

James Bennett, the vice president for recommendation systems, said the company had taken great pains to preserve the anonymity of the 100 million movie ratings it was making available to researchers, even consulting with privacy experts to make sure that the ratings could not be traced to individual Netflix customers.

“The data set is the big deal here,” Mr. Bennett said.

Netflix has already used its data set to test the accuracy of its existing recommendation system, so it will be able to gauge the accuracy of each entrant’s set of predictions, executives said.

Mr. Hastings said he thought it was important to make the ratings database widely available. “Unless you work at Microsoft research or Yahoo research or for Jim Bennett here at Netflix, you won’t have access to a large data set,” he said. “The beauty of the Netflix prize is you can be a mathematician in Romania or a statistician in Taiwan, and you could be the winner.”

John Riedl, a professor of computer science at the University of Minnesota and a pioneer in the field of collaborative filtering, said that Netflix and Amazon now had the most advanced recommendation systems.

“Most of the easy stuff has been squeezed out already,” he said, adding that it had become increasingly difficult to make substantial progress in predicting accuracy.

“Any time you start working on any of these scientific or engineering problems, there’s a period of dramatic improvement,” Professor Riedl said. “It slows down because in a sense you’re competing with 15 years of really smart people banging away at the problem.”

Until now, researchers who have been working to improve recommendation systems have been relying on a much smaller database, a set of one million ratings generated by a Web site called MovieLens, Professor Riedl said. “Having a big data set would be really, really useful,” he said.

Francisco Martin, the chief executive of Mystrands.com, a company in Corvallis, Ore., that is developing a recommendation engine based on what people listen to on iTunes, agreed, saying, “With ratings-based systems, you need to rate everything you see in order to get reasonably accurate recommendations.”

Cash prizes in other difficult technical areas have been offered in recent years. In 2004, there was the $10 million Ansari X Prize for a reusable spacecraft. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is again running a contest involving robotic vehicles with the first prize $2 million. And NASA is offering prize money ranging from $200,000 to more than $5 million for building equipment including lunar excavators and solar sails — large mirror-based equipment intended to collect solar power and conserve rocket fuel.

Mr. Hastings said the Netflix prize was different from some others in that it required a minimal financial investment to compete. “This will be one of the largest truly open prizes that’s ever been done,” he said. “All you need is a PC and some great insight.” He said Netflix would publish a detailed description of the winning approach.

If no one wins within a year, Netflix will award $50,000 to whoever makes the most progress above a 1 percent improvement, and will award the same amount each year until someone wins the grand prize.

Professor Riedl noted that a big improvement in Netflix’s recommendation system would be a boon to the company’s business. “It could result in a significant rise in sales if the recommendations do a better job of helping people find movies they want to see,” he said.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Note to Netflix: Just because I have rented Miyazaki films does not mean I want to watch every episode of Inuyasha and Dragonball Z thanx bye.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeah you can do all the data mining you want and still not find anything if you continue to base your mental model of people on the assumptions they think in terms of "genres" and "star ratings" and other dumb irrelevant shit like that.

I'd enter but I've got other things to do plus not a real mathematician? Maybe I should write in anyway with a spec.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

It's probably worth a shot?

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

a themes and styles model (like Pandora for music) should be more accurate, but I don't know that any mathematic/matching model can work for aesthetic pleasures.

Why do I like this Picasso but not that Picasso even though they're from the same period and share the same styles and brushstrokes?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

how about I give up trying to figure out how you think and figure out if and how I can take you and 5000 other people and put you all in a basket of people who think like that, whether I have a word for that basket or not?

record store genre labels generally tons and tons more effective than movie store genre labels!

1. Find a dozen or more customers whose movie selections over time have had almost no overlap

2. bucket other customers in with them according to who they overlap with the most

3. resample each customers' preferences for bucket fit every 3 months or so, or constantly, whatever

4. recommendations based on past and current preferences of secret "canary" customers determined in step 1. These can also change over time if one starts overlapping with another one too much- resample and find another set whose overlap values are at or below N, then rebucket.

Do this on an ongoing basis, resample and calibrate at least once a quarter.

Also, keep track of what previews are on what DVDs, and evaluate that with queue-add data to see if it has any value.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

and preferences = movies rented and queued. "genre" and "star rating" are completely ditched. We hated Anchorman, loved Talladega Nights. slap your forehead.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

also I guess recommendations could be based on the pool of queued movies of people in the bucket. the more you overlap with someone else, the more their queue is relevant to yours.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)


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