Democratic (Party) Direction

wiw Bernie Sanders appearing in NYC to champion a feeble "progressive" like Mayor deBlasio, who's going to win reelection in a landslide only bcz he has two lunatics running against him, is depressing.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:14 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this bothered me too. DeBlasio really doesn't need his help, and there are candidates that the time would probably be better spent on. IDGI.

speaking of fantastic dem meme direction

It's Halloween and the GOP's scary tax bill is out tomorrow. Grab your “Trident” and let’s fight “Good & Plenty” to defeat it! #NotOnePenny pic.twitter.com/vNePmKjpSO

— Jeff Merkley (@JeffMerkley) October 31, 2017

true I guess but seems symptomatic of a larger problem in their approach

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:11 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i mean is their approach to plant Easter Eggs in their bonus materials for Stranger Things fans? it's not the same thing but it shows a pretty narrow audience focus, like it's something for the supposedly smart pop-culture savvy crowd. kind of like "delete your account", everyone was like HILLARY JUST OWNED DONALD IN THREE WORDS and meanwhile no one changed their vote.

pokemon go to the polls

i wasn't sure what to think of the new trump plan, but then i saw a reference to stranger things - which i love, like everyone in the united states - which compared it to being in the upside down of stranger things. now, i know you've seen the show, but if you know one thing about stranger things it's that you don't want to end up in the upside down! no way! and that means no way to this trump tax plan!

DiBlasio has a lot of hate against him from all sides in NY, I can see why Bernie came in
as feeble a progressive as he is, he's the first mayor in a while that doesn't fellate the NYPD at every opportunity. sadly progress

thanks for the third way safari article, really good.

Senator Merkley (D-Ore.) is a bit of a dork, but he's a dork with the right ideas and a willingness to do battle for them. My wife and I gave him $100 so he could accumulate a few more Immortality Points in the D.C. video game: Congressional Empire Building. I believe he will attack the right orcs.

he's the first mayor in a while that doesn't fellate the NYPD at every opportunity.

he kinda does, but the cops hate him anyway

never seen Stranger Things cuz cable

it's not on cable.

well i don't have broadcast reception either, so it IS cable

it's on netflix, dude.

haven't read this yet but some folx online are flipping out over it

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

so uh yeah the response to this should be interesting, also megalol at Brazile calling her book Hacks

But there also were millions approved for transfer from Clinton’s campaign for use by the DNC — which, under a plan devised by Brazile to drum up urban turnout out of fear that Trump would win the popular vote while losing the electoral vote, got dumped into Chicago and New Orleans, far from anywhere that would have made a difference in the election.

brain trust

Started reading it, pretty crazy, almost unreal. Didn't sleep much, need to revisit in a more cogent state.

I recommend staying away from Hillary stan twitter (even moreso than usual)

This has to be a stop the presses for Chapo

yeah that seems inevitable unfortunately

I'm honestly amazed that she went in so hard at both Hillary and Obama.

meanwhile, WTF is the guy's problem?

Now Ralph Northam says he'd ban sanctuary cities in Virginia, validating Gillespie's racist narrative: https://t.co/SC8sbcrgMJ

— George Zornick (@gzornick) November 2, 2017

I'm 100% fine with Dem insiders trying to distance themselves from Clinton & move left out of cynical careerism. It's a sign we're winning

— The Discourse Lover (@Trillburne) November 2, 2017

definitely seeing some takes today saying the Brazile Book is a good healing step for the party divide, we'll see

meanwhile Bernie is taking shit for not supporting Northam

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-sits-out-a-tight-race-in-virginia-after-his-candidate-falls-short

The great thing about the Brazile story is that she is describing an actual smoking gun document. Which presumably means that document will come out soon, and if it is what she says it is, this seems like a pretty open and shut case. Until then, probably a good idea to stay away from any stan twitter, be it Hillary or Bernie.

don't think a promise to ban sanctuary cities is going to lure in Sanders now

xp

This will definitely be a brief open and shut case

A well organized, brief case

the major deciding posts in the DNC are pretty much all Hillary people, right? like I seem to recall someone saying that they made up the entire rules committee.

There was a shakeup of the rules committee in October, I have a hard time imagining anyone would bother filling it up with 'Hillary people', it's not as if she's going to run again.

sorry, I misstated:

Bernie wing now has zero representation on rules committee, which will determine how the 2020 primary is run. What kind of unity is this? pic.twitter.com/XCbPAgMSaL

— Claire Sandberg (@clairesandberg) October 20, 2017

i think it's pretty clear what kind of unity that is tbf

so uh yeah the response to this should be interesting, also megalol at Brazile calling her book Hacks

so i just read the excerpt. it seems like the meat is that the clinton campaign had fundraising deals with the DNC before she announced her candidacy. it certainly seems unethical (and iirc this came up during the primaries as well) but i still don't see where the primary was "rigged." brazile needed to show how that fundraising deal actually influenced the results of the primaries and i don't think she did that. it sounds like the Clinton campaign was exploiting the DNC as a loophole to bring in donations, but it doesn't seem like the DNC was much of an active player at all?

This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

maybe i just don't understand the real significance of this information

thinking in terms of real significance, that's your problem right there

what are you insinuating? that it is meaningless and just being used to re-litigate the primary with no new information? it definitely is unethical (using the DNC to subvert donors laws) and arguably using the DNC like that gave her an unfair advantage (in raising money) but the accusations of a rigged primary were more about rigging the individual state elections. is there evidence, for example, that hillary was involved with purging the voter rolls in NY?

attention grab first, political praxis of some obscure sort second, re-litigation of the primary third

The significant detail is the allegation that the agreement gave Hillary control of the DNC from back in August 2015. That's huge. If true.

"gave control" practically what does that mean? did she use that control to rig the primaries? or did she just use the DNC to launder money? was the DNC campaigning on her behalf? or doing anything on her behalf? the article mentions something about press releases needing to be run by Brooklyn. idk i wish Brazile had been more specific - this is just so vague (outside the fundraising charge).

also wasn't Brazile the person who "fed" Hillary the question about Flint, MI for the Flint debate? was she doing that bc Hillary controlled the DNC?

putting the DNC in hock to the Clinton campaign certainly seems like a situation that would cause other candidates to be de-prioritized.

The fact this is coming from Brazile, who I would consider a Clinton loyalist, is a pretty big deal.

According to the excerpt, the deal was more about the Clinton campaign helping keep the DNC afloat, rather than the DNC helping Clinton. It points to a mindblowingly incompetent DNC over the years.

Which on the other hand is why this doesn't prove 'Bernie would have won.' The DNC in this telling could't have rigged an election for dog catcher...

huh people are shocked that Hillary Clinton used a dodgy fundraising scheme exploiting her direct connections to party insiders. this is bad, wholly predictable, and exactly the kind of thing Bernie rails against when it comes to money in politics but it's also not the same as election rigging and I dunno if I really give a fuck at this point. The DNC has always been a cesspool.

you don't think the Clinton campaign keeping the DNC afloat would result in other candidates getting lesser treatment?

don't think anyone said this proves Bernie would have won.

xp

it might have - but then Brazile writes "I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none." which makes it sound like this fund raising scheme was the entirety of it. otherwise presumably she would've at least found some evidence of skewed decisions?

When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

literally nothing could "prove" BWHW

i'd feel differently about hillary purging voter roles during the primaries than i do about this fundraising agreement. maybe i shouldn't but one feels more like "rigging" to me.

That would be practical 'rigging', yes. This is apparently an agreement that the primaries should be rigged, but it's really hard to find anything at all that was in actual fact rigged.

It's like the opposite of Russian collusion. We have the agreement (apparently) but no evidence that anything actually happened.

BWHW

Brazile Withdraw Hillary Worship?

bew wave of heavy wetal