brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

My guess would be that the Tories would be prepared to put pretty much any schism to one side for as long as the alternative is putting Corbyn in #10. The lack of an obvious viable successor is keeping outright warfare at bay, which helps as May is probably Corbyn's biggest electoral asset for the time being.

Xp Should ban advertising for "online casinos" first tbh

Should ban advertising for gambling full stop - especially those which use Professional Cockney Wankers.

I can recall people with addiction problems signing self-exclusion forms 15 - 20 years ago, when all the action was in the bookies/casino. I don't know how effective that was, but it would seem completely useless now.

Having said that, difficult to justify when ITV ends every night's programming with three hours of gambling.

(xp)

There is a whole universe of difference to reducing a FOBT limit to between £50 or £2 a spin. I'd imagine with the amount of betting duty coming in, that Hammond won't be up for any radical reduction at all.

Yes, can't see him choking off that amount of revenue.

Imagine if every high street had rows of shops selling smack, think the gov would be on its high horse.

Well that was 19th century Tories fought the opium wars for!

Victorian values, selling smack helped put the Great into Great Britain.

xp!!!

that was 19th century Tories fought the opium wars for

relevant PMs both peelite whigs = proto-liberals ("free trade" was primarily a liberal cause in the 19th century, palmerston was the ur-centrist dad imo)

Gambling commission are working on online self-exclusion at the mo, but hard to see how it'll do that much, even with major operator sign-up.

Those Cockney wanker adverts are nauseating. I feel a lot of nostalgia for the 90's betting era, when gambling was quite unfashionable with young people and you still had the classic old fleapit shithole independent betting shops. Shops that hadn't had a refurb since the 70's or even the 60's in some cases. Although maybe the filthy toilets with blockages because people using are betting slips to wipe their arse weren't so great!

xxp aside from loving free-trade, maybe the proto-liberals also found charity "uplifting" like my man Mogg.

lol high horse icu nv

online gambling is pretty bad, for me it would be the equivalent of having a guy follow me round all day offering me a drink

which i kind of carry in my head anyway tbf

it's not even the sport betting so much as the bandits, roulette etc

I used to work with someone who did in £2000 on roulette when he was shitfaced and had no memory of it, but his partner was absolutely screaming at him and threw his laptop out of the window. People with addiction issues will destroy themselves much quicker if their poison is easily accessible.

online self exclusion would be easily by-passed with a VPN or whatever means necessary. There is often boundless determination and ingenuity in somebody with an addiction problem. Considering how this current government has already annihilated/reduced drug-addiction services, I can't imagine people with gambling addiction problems are getting much help.

hold up

https://www.penguin.co.uk/content/dam/catalogue/pim/editions/471/9781847925237/cover.jpg

Clegg now in the same place as Jonathan Pryce at the end of Brazil

the_list is out there

That is an....astonishingly ill-judged title.

(and kittens)

That is an....astonishingly ill-judged title.

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He sees a niche, granted it won't sell v well itt

How To Influence The Electorate by Nick Clegg, with foreword written by B Gedolf + E Izzard.

Kickstarter for sequel Oh Yeah, And How To Make Friends Too starting up next week.

He sees a niche, granted it won't sell v well itt

It wouldn't sell in this thread no matter what he did, but you reckogn LibDem types want their anti-brexit manifesto reading to have a tongue-in-cheek Trump reference in the title?

yes. get in the sea, Brexit!

This is going to sell incredibly well among people whose last two book purchases were The God Delusion and a biography of Steve Jobs.

This incident and the s/s all make for a horrific day - experiences of abuse being played for party political points (this is prompted by The Canary piece I am not going to link to) and other things I have been seeing today.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/31/westminster-staffer-says-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-mp

this is gonna be a very deep, very dirty swamp

I suspect that "keep quiet to protect the party" is a line that's been used dozens if not hundreds of times and I wonder if it's the same individuals involved in the cover-up attempts.

I see there are some whips on the list, which probably explains why they're so willing to keep the cover up going

Dominic Raab, the justice minister ...is one of the Tories MPs who features on the sexual misconduct spreadsheet doing the rounds at Westminster

you don't say...

Not saying there aren't other reasons for Raab to be on the list but Crabb is also on the list. #craabgate

No deal is a kind of deal / there is no no deal only a shit deal.

David Davis says whatever happens "we will have a basic deal - I think of it as a deal without the bits we want"

lol! You can see why DD is considered such a big beast/titan of intellect/next leader candidate, see how he polishes that dog-turd of no-deal with such finesse!

Funnily enough I was just reading a fawning Toby Young article from last year talking about Michael Gove's towering intellect and how he should be the next PM and you have to conclude that these people are where they are precisely because they represent a stupid person's idea of a clever person.

Does anyone want that Stephen Collins cartoon again or nah

i could look at that for hours tbh

There seemed to be a group of superfans talking up Gove as some great conservative ideologue and thinker of our era around 2015/16. I don't think this outright lie was ever going to stand up to much scrutiny i.e. people actually meeting Gove and hearing him talk etc..

michael fallon MP resigns from cabinet

Sir Michael Fallon. Are there more revelations in the offing?

also:Govt fail to oppose to Labour motion on publication of secret Brexit assessments. Speaker: I expect ministers to comply.

I think this means they have to publish the Brexit assessments, but you never know with this lot.

must be more coming on fallon