A thread for Stranger Things, the "Goonies meets X-Files" new Netflix series (with SPOILERS!)

I think that's kind of how the remembrance and slow rewriting of history happens. The Duffer Brothers weren't the age of the kids on the show -- they heard the music as the background for their really young years, and grafted it on to experiences they had and the way that time's been portrayed in film and television.

So there are two levels of disconnect: people born later who have "the 80s" as a period defined by them looking back from their own youth, contextualized in the way we perceive that time in 2017 terms. You end up with pastiche and a flattening of culture that gives you both the middle school dance and the music that wouldn't belong there.

I thought Jonathan not recognizing the Siouxsie Sioux costume was almost a jab at that tendency! He might have the hair, but he's pretty much a normal dude who has some hair affectations

fwiw the Duffer brothers were born in '84

i fuckin hate this show

I appear to be the only person here or elsewhere who liked the Eleven/Jane sidetrip to Chicago and felt less nostalgia-bombed this season.

btw, my Chicago friend pointed out that one of the buildings in the Chicago-scape was completed in 2010 and the skyline seen from the warehouse was either superimposed from a location on the lake or from the observatory (which is not located in a warehouse district).

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Well, chronologically, I thought they nailed the soundtrack to the dance. And I could even let Girls On Film go (though it's more likely you would have heard The Reflex or New Moon on Monday).

I can also get the not recognizing a Siouxsie Sioux costume. The Banshees were still really obscure. I don't recall seeing their videos on MTV, although I do remember Clash videos. Even ones from 'Cut the Crap'!

However, I also can't recall if I've told any one to get off my lawn today

Kind of surprised no one involved with the production or music clearance mentioned, "You know, nobody danced to Shout At The Devil in 1984. Nobody."

Yeah, someone on another message board pointed out that exactly zero Clash-loving American teens were going to be giving a pep talk about how cool David Bowie was in 1985, his all-time low point in terms of stature.

"You know, nobody danced to Shout At The Devil in 1984. Nobody."

Not sure where righteousmaelstrom grew up, but Motley was definitely already a thing by this time in Alabama.

Close to Alabama: Tulsa. And I owned that Motley Crue album and saw them on that tour! Where I was living at the time, they really didn't blow up until Theater of Pain.

My point being that you would have more likely heard Springsteen, Madonna, Prince, Michael Jackson or even (shudder) Don Henley, but obviously there was no budget for that.

xxp "Shout at the Devil" has always struck me as the stupidest lyric I've ever heard

Didn’t Bob tell Will to do just that? To shout at the monster to go away? To, if you will, shout at the devil?

It’s all a rich tapestry.

lmao

That didn't work out so well

I appear to be the only person here or elsewhere who liked the Eleven/Jane sidetrip to Chicago and felt less nostalgia-bombed this season.

I felt pretty much the same on both points, as mentioned above. I'm also hoping the Invisibles shout-outs in the Chicago episode were more than just a cute gag, and next season we're gonna see some psychic punks vs. government conspiracy action, inspired by the comic, instead of yet more Upside Down monsters.

I appreciate this show much more when I keep in mind that the primary demo it's geared toward is probably kids around the ages of its main protagonists. So it has been the perfect thing to keep on the TV while I do paperwork, browse the web etc.

The Chicago episode just felt exactly like The Matrix to me...

I like this show, in some instances I even love this show, but I think the thing that prevents me from 100% embracing it at all times is that there's a significant hole in the middle of it. Will Byers is that hole. I don't think it's the actor. I think the writers have just left him terribly blank, and I don't understand why any of the other kids are his friends, why his mother is so protective of him, why his older brother treats him so kindly. ffs, Max's mom had one short sequence towards the end of S2, with little if any dialogue, and I already feel like I've got a better handle on her whole role than I do on Will, who is ostensibly the key piece of the show's entire puzzle.

aw i just finished ep 5 and was thinkimg how much i love Will’s character. and how great the kid himself is at being terrified & ~shook~

Watching ep 6. Man, Paul Reiser is full-on Burke in this season, isn’t he?

Also, the meta dialogue that both Max and Brett Gelman get is a bit much.

Okay, they’re hitting the _Aliens_ refs hard enough that I’m cringing.

Just hit the Bon Jovi song in ep 7. This is starting to piss me off.

watched everything up to the last episode which I'm saivng for tonight.

Man episode 7 was as stupid as I'd heard. The Invisibles references somewhat saved it, but I desperately hope that wasn't an attempt to backdoor pilot a spinoff already.

"Will Byers is that hole. I don't think it's the actor. I think the writers have just left him terribly blank, and I don't understand why any of the other kids are his friends, why his mother is so protective of him, why his older brother treats him so kindly"

I see this, but in his defense, he's been a victim and/or missing in every episode of the show. You never get to see him just be himself, except for a bit in episode 1.

he's the Egon of the group, what more do you need to know?

I'm happy it wasn't another season of thrusting the kid named Michael into an ad hoc leadship role. Why do people always do this to the Mikes of the world? So unfair.

Sean Astin, who once played a kid leader named Mikey, wondering about “pirate treasure!” and solving a puzzle/map in ep 5/6

Curious who the 80s stunt casting for next season will be.

Corey Feldman is out, Christian Slater is still doing Mr Robot, isn’t he? Molly Ringwald / Jennifer Jason Leigh / Jami Gertz / Phoebe Cates? Larry B Scott?

I can’t remember if it was mentioned here but both the teenage dirtbag character and the chicago punks seemed far more like “80s movie teenage dirtbag” and “80s movie punks” shoved into a show about the 80s, rather than just “characters in a show set in the 80s”

Right, they were too cartoony.

I think the break with the tone was more jarring than anything. We jumped movie genres.

Again, I couldn't get over how much it was like The Matrix.

Jennifer Jason Leigh

she's too good for this garbage

also still managing a quality film career

Grant Morrison always said The Matrix ripped off The Invisibles, and since that episode was explicitly homaging the latter, I guess Morrison was right if it made people think of the former.

the Matrix rips off a lot of things

episode 7 was stupid mostly because if you can make people see/not see things why are you living in a gross abandoned warehouse? seems like it would be beyond trivial to get tons of cash and have a nice apartment

Yeah, the Matrix rips off/borrows/synthesizes a whole shit-ton of sources, not the least of which was its name.

How many times has King Mob been used as a name(not just in Vertigo)? 3-4?

Also, we mentioned that the cartoon clown face used as knife target made the connection to Akira even more explicit than just “secret govt project to experiment on injecting psi powers into children” that was already there, right?

Without going too spoiler heavy, the fact that they used the same sound effect for a bit of tech that is identical to tech used in the film they ref aggravated me. I knew they were already going to lean heavily into that film from the first episode, where you see Paul Reiser’s character observing an dude wielding a quad propane-fueled flamethrower. The level they went into that ep was some of the laziest Family Guy shit, where a Max amount of detail goes into the reference without any twist or comment upon it.

Still, two eps left, let’s see how they land this.

Also, had the thought that casting Brett Gelman as a Brett Gelman character means that they effectively put the same kinda (slightly?) cartoonish/OTT type as a GTA character into this show.

Molly Ringwald is on Riverdale

The Aliens riff where one of the soliders says "stay frosty" made me laugh, it's some Family Guy level referencing but at least it's hanging off an actual plot here

How many times has King Mob been used as a name(not just in Vertigo)? 3-4?

um

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Mob

"one in ten go mad, one in five cracks up" is the official tagline of ILE

Paul Reiser as Carter Burke if Burke was actually a halfway decent dude and got to be in charge of things. Good casting. (Aside from insinuating to Jonathan and Nancy that he'd straight-up kill them if necessary.)

This season of this show is the most anyone has said "Radio Shack" on television in at least a decade.

honestly this was moderately enjoyable garbage.

i did get a kick out of "kid thinks he's in ET but really he's in Gremlins" and i was really glad to see the Smoke Monster from L O S T can still get work and Hellboy is generally great but... that's about it really?

i mean, if I'm charitable the arc is Eleven Finds Her Way Back but really there was no story to speak of, featuring maybe three characters worth giving a shit about, set in a Fake 80s that's mostly stupid when it's not actively irritating (get stuffed, United Punks of Benetton)

can't wait for season 3!

i was surprised they had metal dude's dad call him a 'faggot'. that's a fairly realistic insult for the time but you'd think they would have sidestepped that.

It’s shown in an unquestionably negative light, at least

Didn't see the new It but that f-word pops up there, too, if I read correctly. Period slur!

Netflix episode dumps are annoying inasmuch as it eliminates one's ability to discuss a show until one has watched the whole damn thing. So I'm not reading anything upthread just yet, but with one episode to go I'll declare this to be pretty damn good. The only time it lost me a little was with Kali and the Dream Warriors (although I did appreciate the Invisibles-related graffiti in their clubhouse and, I suppose, not-so-subtle allusion that they're basically an Invisibles cell). At any rate: derivative shmerivative, I say. Derivative shmerivative.