Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

Taibbi did fucked up shit 20 years ago. He apologized. Pending further information, I don't care.

(but he must never be forgiven, bcz that's how it goes in Woke Church)

xp, I think a guy who bats .346 with 24 HRs is probably a little different on the protection scale than a fierce debater.

haha wrong thread

Taibbi did fucked up shit 20 years ago. He apologized. Pending further information, I don't care.

There's literally further information about fucked up shit from 2014 in this thread.

she felt the conduct may have been motivated, at least in part, by her gender

how unambiguously damning!

p4reene said there was no there there. good enough for me.

believe what you want to believe (apparently every word from every single woman who doesn't work for Trump)

Bill Clinton did fucked up shit 20 years ago. He apologized. Pending further information, I don't care.

grow up and move on, witch hunters

high five each other

Probably an indication of how this Taibbi thing is going to play out (w/o any victim testimony) in the mainstream is the interview he did on On the Media this weekend, where Brooke Gladstone was very much "Because this is in the news I guess I have to ask you about this eXile thing that's 20 years old and a satire."

the lengths y'all go to to defend and excuse the actions of someone you like

yeah Brooke Gladstone is a rollover enabler now

the "it was actually fiction" excuse is almost beyond belief to me, like who the hell is buying that shit?

really surprised there's been no post yet by kingfish about how they apparently fucked up the recording of yesterday's premium episode

lol there was though

hahaha doh

brooke gladstone u say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=8zQEmDL6efo

wow this thread got disgusting

Brooke Gladstone’s book tour hits Portland tonight, should I ask her about it?

about disgusting non-unanimity? might take awhile

RL Stephens has a good thread about twitter vs real-life work

R.L. Stephens
@RLisDead

The base required to win elections is different than the base needed for transformative class struggle.

To win a US electoral campaign, you need to mobilize those who are already likely to vote (wealthier, whiter). Most poor ppl don't vote

Transformative class struggle is about building the capacity of the poor and dispossessed to not only win campaigns, but to lead society

It's not that it's impossible to do both electoral campaigns and transformative class struggle, it's that we can't conflate the two.

If you fight for a policy, are you doing it in a way that builds a base for transformative class struggle or just mobilizing likely voters?

I never read the eXile (or this spin-off book), is it accurate to say that parts of it were clearly fictional, liked Ames suggests? (and if so, were the fictional and non-fiction parts clearly demarcated, or did they play around with the ambiguity?)

scary baker
@meshuggeknight
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Replying to @RLisDead and @samseabornagain
Outside of finally winning elections, what's the mechanism for attaining state power for the base?

R.L. Stephens
@RLisDead
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the state is just a legitimizing apparatus, the real power is in motion elsewhere (landlord/tenant, boss/worker, debtor/debt owner, etc)

Without building power to directly challenge those underlying relations, then state power will be pretty useless for social transformation

scary baker @meshuggeknight

No, i get that, but how do you finally take control of the state apparatus that runs society without the legitimacy of elections

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R.L. Stephens
@RLisDead

the state apparatus doesn't run society, it legitimizes dominance already in motion through various relations

but this isn't something that will be hammered out through twitter. i think organizing should prioritize challenging underlying relations

(Twitter convos suck at any other sharing aside form screencaps)

I never read the eXile (or this spin-off book), is it accurate to say that parts of it were clearly fictional, liked Ames suggests? (and if so, were the fictional and non-fiction parts clearly demarcated, or did they play around with the ambiguity?)

Parts were clearly fictional. Parts were straight-up, high-quality journalism. Parts were completely ambiguous. Ames, more than Taibbi, went out of his way to make himself look appalling. That was part of the schtick of the paper - it was designed to be outrageous and horrible - but it's impossible to neatly split 'Mark Ames the satirical creation' and 'Mark Ames the terrible person'. If 10% of it was true, it was still pretty unpleasant.

"pretty unpleasant"

jesus fucking christ

"if 10% of it was true" not referring specifically to the assault allegations but the general air of degradation.

I’m kinda how much we’re being haunted from 90s Gen X shittalking about politics.

I separate it from the more current dirtbag leftist tendency because the political aims are far diffierent(one actually has political aims, for one). The two styles are only superficially similar(they both can be snarky), which means that they get conflated online constantly, because social media obsessively foregrounds the most superficial connections possible.

90s nihilistic shitlording was more of a defensive cynicism, wasn’t it? Folks were all transgressive and snarking about Clinton Era shit because actually organizing to take power was a task discard decades back by folks who got burned or traumatized in the process. How many remember Suck.com, where the dominating vibe seemed to be hipster nihilism? eXile fits in that category, doesn’t it?

Gawker can sorta stand in a transition point, couldn’t it? You go from a snipey Gen X/Suck.com non-ideological stance to something which still had the mordant humor but more political aims(with HamNo, Pareene(sorta), J.E.B. Lund & more than a few others). Then Gawker gets taken out, leaves a vacuum, and Chapo is there to fill it.

I’m kinda wondering that post should begin with

Haha: the letters jay eee bee get auto-replaced

Good ep, worth the wait.

I credit them for finding that excellent Atlantic piece, because it probably would have flown under my radar otherwise. What's great about it is not clear from the headline.

was just thinking about how much of a useful idiot one has to be at this point to still not realize that the entire CTH universe is propped up with russian propaganda $$$. Just because it's possible to anticipate an argument or constantly lampshade it with snark doesn't mean it's not true, buds ❤❤❤

waht

...?

was just thinking about how much of a useful idiot one has to be at this point to still not realize that the entire CTH universe is propped up with russian propaganda $$$. Just because it's possible to anticipate an argument or constantly lampshade it with snark doesn't mean it's not true, buds ❤❤❤

― Dan I., Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:52 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're a catastrophically stupid person

catastrophic for whom?

himself, the state of discourse around politics in the u.s.

This may be one layer of irony too deep of an irony-poisoned show

Like, we fell thru the irony superstructure and have passed thru every level of the base, so we’ve taken up residence in the irony sub-basement

not everything you don't like is russia for the love of god

things that are russia according to libs with large social media presences in the u.s.: black lives matter, bernie sanders and his supporters, the catalan independence movement, racism and white supremacy in america etc.

useful idiot, you say

patreon is a russian front open your eyes

was just thinking about how much of a useful idiot one has to be at this point to still not realize that the entire CTH universe is propped up with russian propaganda $$$. Just because it's possible to anticipate an argument or constantly lampshade it with snark doesn't mean it's not true, buds ❤❤❤

― Dan I., Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:52 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

correct the record troll

aren't one of you going to "ironically" call me a cuck?

what are you doing here, buddy?

resisting

that popular ironic ilx insult "cuck"

Ian D.

If the CTH Universe was propped up with Russian Money, Street Fight would be bragging about and doing waaaaaay more drugs.

Kratom by the kilo