brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

in all parties the job the whips are paid for is control of the vote in the house, the firmer the better, and they've always been "by any means necessary" about it: happy to believe there's more suss behaviour among the tories right now, but highly doubt the whips in the other parties wd prioritise their duties much differently tbh

^

If stuff comes out about labour whips office, maybe it will be a blessing that they were hostile to corbyn at least until june.

Altho lol nuance, obviously

they've always been "by any means necessary" about it

Yeah, and that's all jolly and self-important of them, but if the means extend to colluding in covering up illegality I'm not sure it's going to be defensible for long. Though, yep, can well believe all whips various are in on it.

who's Bazza?

Barry Sheerman, safe seat wasteman MP, lobbyist, intellectual giant who didn't go to no shit Polytechnic, no.

if there's a counterforce within the tory party that is keen enough to respond to public disgust on this topic that it defies the tory whips and mobilises to demonise them (risking all the dangers of the party being out of power for a long time as actual real socialism is being brought back) then i would maybe start to bet against the whips, as the crew that rides this out

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

also somewhat to the point:
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/sex-pests-and-murdoch-agenda.html

Well The Sun seem to taking all of this extremely seriously as usual.

Front page: Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has admitted to "inappropriately" touching the knee of journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer. The paper quotes Sir Michael as saying that he apologised to her over the incident 15 years ago and both considered the matter closed.

Yeah, if we can focus on inconsequential things, we can get all that serious stuff forgotten about.

FOBT reforms are well overdue and "the crack cocaine of gambling" is quite accurate when you see the mess some people get into when they get sucked into the roulette vortex. I was talking to a friend who is a betting shop manager yesterday. He isn't happy about the prospect of losing a job which hasn't really left him with many transferable skills. He works for an independent bookie chain that used to have 26 shops in the 90's + is down to 5 now - and says oftentimes 75% of his shop turnover is from the FOBT terminals.

i still think this is a pretty big if -- but there are now two quite distinct lines of fracture opening up (brexit being the other), and that's lot for a party without a proper majority

My guess would be that the Tories would be prepared to put pretty much any schism to one side for as long as the alternative is putting Corbyn in #10. The lack of an obvious viable successor is keeping outright warfare at bay, which helps as May is probably Corbyn's biggest electoral asset for the time being.

Xp Should ban advertising for "online casinos" first tbh

Should ban advertising for gambling full stop - especially those which use Professional Cockney Wankers.

I can recall people with addiction problems signing self-exclusion forms 15 - 20 years ago, when all the action was in the bookies/casino. I don't know how effective that was, but it would seem completely useless now.

Having said that, difficult to justify when ITV ends every night's programming with three hours of gambling.

(xp)

There is a whole universe of difference to reducing a FOBT limit to between £50 or £2 a spin. I'd imagine with the amount of betting duty coming in, that Hammond won't be up for any radical reduction at all.

Yes, can't see him choking off that amount of revenue.

Imagine if every high street had rows of shops selling smack, think the gov would be on its high horse.

Well that was 19th century Tories fought the opium wars for!

Victorian values, selling smack helped put the Great into Great Britain.

xp!!!

that was 19th century Tories fought the opium wars for

relevant PMs both peelite whigs = proto-liberals ("free trade" was primarily a liberal cause in the 19th century, palmerston was the ur-centrist dad imo)

Gambling commission are working on online self-exclusion at the mo, but hard to see how it'll do that much, even with major operator sign-up.

Those Cockney wanker adverts are nauseating. I feel a lot of nostalgia for the 90's betting era, when gambling was quite unfashionable with young people and you still had the classic old fleapit shithole independent betting shops. Shops that hadn't had a refurb since the 70's or even the 60's in some cases. Although maybe the filthy toilets with blockages because people using are betting slips to wipe their arse weren't so great!

xxp aside from loving free-trade, maybe the proto-liberals also found charity "uplifting" like my man Mogg.

lol high horse icu nv

online gambling is pretty bad, for me it would be the equivalent of having a guy follow me round all day offering me a drink

which i kind of carry in my head anyway tbf

it's not even the sport betting so much as the bandits, roulette etc

I used to work with someone who did in £2000 on roulette when he was shitfaced and had no memory of it, but his partner was absolutely screaming at him and threw his laptop out of the window. People with addiction issues will destroy themselves much quicker if their poison is easily accessible.

online self exclusion would be easily by-passed with a VPN or whatever means necessary. There is often boundless determination and ingenuity in somebody with an addiction problem. Considering how this current government has already annihilated/reduced drug-addiction services, I can't imagine people with gambling addiction problems are getting much help.

hold up

https://www.penguin.co.uk/content/dam/catalogue/pim/editions/471/9781847925237/cover.jpg

Clegg now in the same place as Jonathan Pryce at the end of Brazil

the_list is out there

That is an....astonishingly ill-judged title.

(and kittens)

That is an....astonishingly ill-judged title.

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 14:17 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He sees a niche, granted it won't sell v well itt

How To Influence The Electorate by Nick Clegg, with foreword written by B Gedolf + E Izzard.

Kickstarter for sequel Oh Yeah, And How To Make Friends Too starting up next week.

He sees a niche, granted it won't sell v well itt

It wouldn't sell in this thread no matter what he did, but you reckogn LibDem types want their anti-brexit manifesto reading to have a tongue-in-cheek Trump reference in the title?

yes. get in the sea, Brexit!

This is going to sell incredibly well among people whose last two book purchases were The God Delusion and a biography of Steve Jobs.

This incident and the s/s all make for a horrific day - experiences of abuse being played for party political points (this is prompted by The Canary piece I am not going to link to) and other things I have been seeing today.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/31/westminster-staffer-says-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-mp

this is gonna be a very deep, very dirty swamp

I suspect that "keep quiet to protect the party" is a line that's been used dozens if not hundreds of times and I wonder if it's the same individuals involved in the cover-up attempts.

I see there are some whips on the list, which probably explains why they're so willing to keep the cover up going

Dominic Raab, the justice minister ...is one of the Tories MPs who features on the sexual misconduct spreadsheet doing the rounds at Westminster

you don't say...