The Kennedy Assasination

happy birthday killary

so did the driver do it

nearly everything is marked "NOT BELIEVED RELEVANT". Someone's going to have to do the work of reading all this junk assume that everything marked as such was out of deliberate misdirection and will obsessively comb over every detail contained therein to find out what's really being suggested.

that's the joke

also the good pages will be easy to find because they'll have the phrase "some really wild shit here!" scrawled in the margins

the grassy knoll is very disappointing in person, imo

― mh, Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:33 PM (one hour ago)

when i visited someone had placed a huge sign there saying "GRASSY KNOLL," presumably so ppl would be able to distinguish it from the grassy hill right next to it

btw the files haven't been released yet -- the ones on the national archives site now were released in july.

alfred to thread:
http://ahabit.com/deeeeep.jpg

Whomp whomp

NBC NEWS: Release of JFK files may be delayed as intelligence agencies failed to inform President Trump which files should be kept secret

— Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) October 26, 2017

http://theghostdiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/JFK_ufos.jpg

Showing the trajectory of the hats that flew off the heads of two ladies deep in the crowd

Those aren't just hats, those are the two visible hats of otherwise invisible giants!

those are the flying saucers of the tiny aliens that killed kennedy

turns out trump isn't releasing all the files

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/jfk-assassination-files-classified-document-release-donald-trump/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ema7lfEAMk

Wait, what

Eye witness identifies Ted Cruz as part of Lee Harvey Oswald's crew today on #warroomshow on @Infowars today at 5pm EST

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) October 25, 2017

lmao

spoiler alert: turns out ted cruz...is really his dad

tbh i'm not sure if the Corsican mob was involved but it seems like there was a Corsican drug-trafficker in Dallas @ that time, Lucien Sarti, who I am willing to believe could be part of a larger, multiple-shooter/contingency/backup plan as part of a larger conspiracy. Howard Hunt alleged that Sarti was the one who filed the fatal shot.

I was telling the kids this morning how Jackie's blood-soaked dress is folded up in the Smithsonian somewhere. I won't live to see its unveiling, but they might. Maybe they'll think of me when it happens.

They stopped staring at me once the teacher on morning duty told them to get out of the car or they'll be late..

"You know, kids, in her shock she crawled onto the trunk of the car to retrieve a piece of her husband's skull, so she could put it back in its place..."

"I mean, what would you have done?"

My uninformed theory is that Oswald had talked to a few dudes, maybe sought out people with government ties from a few places (Russia, Cuba, CIA in Mexico, etc) or people wanted to claim they had contacted him, after the fact, for weird credit. And then some scrambled up normal dude living in Texas shot the president, and people tried to make great claims about the time this guy called their embassy line one time

if you feel unimportant and want to be a big wheel of history, shooting the president seems like the most obvious action

i think the next generation won't tell ghost stories to their grandkids but they'll tell about their creepy great uncle who was the second gunman, or a heretofore unknown grandpa who did 9/11.

MH, that’s a pretty glib view of Oswald. He wasn’t just a disgruntled random schmuck who picked up a gun one day. He was a shockingly well-traveled misfit who spent virtually every stage of his adult life in hotbeds of Cold War activity or crossed paths with people connected to it.

There’s a reason that multiple intelligence agencies were tracking his activities well before the assassination (and were aware that he was potentially dangerous). Their failure to do anything about it and the ensuing cover-up(s) are probably the source of about 90% of the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination.

Personally I’m skeptical of any high-level plots and agnostic about multiple shooters but I definitely think Oswald had accomplices or associates encouraging and/or aiding him. There’s a lot that has come out in the last few years about his time in Mexico City and the people he associated with there that is *very* interesting.

The "lone nut case who just happened to succeed in blowing the president's head apart as he traveled in a moving vehicle, using a mail order rifle fired from a long distance away" theory seems much too simplistic to be the whole story. But whatever the whole story might be is probably not recoverable at this point and perhaps never was recoverable.

Yeah. It’s the kind of case that naturally obfuscates itself. I doubt any of the newly released files will be some kind of smoking gun that instantly makes it all click together.

xp but that's the kind of well-poisoning characterization that people have been using since at least Stone's movie and definitely since the HSCA. Oswald's gun was not just "a mail order rifle," it was a standard-issue military weapon for the Italian, German and Finnish armies up through the end of WWII. It's like calling the BAR "some early 20th century gun."

And it wasn't a "long distance," definitely not for a qualified marksman using a scope on a slow-moving target traveling downhill. The infamous "Maggie's drawers" comment from Stone's movie about Oswald's marksman skills comes from a single qualifying test when Oswald was already leaving the Corps and didn't care about his scoring. Every other time he had to qualify he was well above average.

Supposing for a moment there were other shooters around, they must have been awful. Since all wounds to Kennedy and Connelly are traceable to Oswald's gun, they missed every single person in the car, the car itself, every person on the street and every building in sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5IWK9sRYTs

IOW Phil D otm

i will always choose to continue to believe the george hickey headshot theory

(a) bcz bonar menninger's book is abrim with drawings of skulls with dowling threaded through them in various directions (and unusually well written for a JFK conspiracy book)
(b) also the idea that a secret serviceman delivered the coup de grace by accident -- when he jumped up onto the back seat of the following limo, AR-15 newly in hand to ward off the assassin's threat, lost his footing, fell backwards, and as he did so incompetently loosed off the fatal bullet in the worst possible direction -- entertains me way more than all the rogue deep state and mobsters stuff (it means the cover-up was driven by horrified embarrassment instead of they-live type 12-ft lizards)

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/DOCID-32352381.PDF?utm_source=POLITICO.EU&utm_campaign=8d2e928e71-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_10959edeb5-8d2e928e71-189694745

I didn’t mean to be too glib — Oswald spent his entire adult life trying to have some sort of role that he never quite found. Applies to a lot of people, really. *stares off into the distance*

NYTimes's patented power-flattering condescension https://t.co/ybCfbEPyjr

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 26, 2017

The missing records include a 338-page file on J. Walton Moore, the head of the CIA office in Dallas at the time of the killing, and an 18-page dossier on Gordon McClendon, a Dallas businessman who conferred with Ruby just before he shot Oswald. Several files on notorious anti-Castro Cuban exiles were apparently withheld, including those focusing on Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch, who had been accused of a 1976 airline bombing that killed 73 people.

The still-redacted stuff is about CIA plots to kill Castro or undermine the government of Cuba, right? It'd still cause one hell of a backlash, especially if they were responsible for, say, that bombing.

huh, never heard the mark s "accident" theory before. as likely as any.

Yes, equally likely that the headshot came from a guy holding a rifle climbing onto a moving car from the street as from a guy in a stable elevated position behind the target. Who can say? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm still guiltily laughing at "what if his head just did that"

Also lol at an 18-page dossier on Gordon McClendon, a Dallas businessman who conferred with Ruby just before he shot Oswald. McLendon was a friend of Ruby's and owned a radio station that Ruby listened to. This is the extent of that "conference," which involved letting him into McLendon's radio station to deliver some sandwiches the night of Nov. 22. Hardly "just before."

hickey wasn't the one climbing onto the moving car, that was clint hill -- hickey was in the back seat of the following car, visible here toting his weapon as the limos speed to parkland memorial:

http://media.philly.com/images/jfk-hickey-with-rifle.jpg

hill (in raybans naturally) is the one on the trunk of the president's car in the foreground

I'm not surprised Luis Posada Carriles' name came up in these files. He's the Zelig of late 20th century right wing skullduggery.

xp That's actually worse. He would've had to stand up in the car and shoot to achieve the trajectory that the autopsy showed. I think someone might have noticed. (nb I have not read the book you referred to but I've read tons of others)

OK OK fine, somewhat less likely

if you've read lots of books, phil, then you should read this one too: it's fun

it's almost entirely about ballistics: howard donahue was a professional gunsmith and sharpshooter and technical trial expert on such topics in and near baltimore; he was insistent that the ballistics work for the warren commission and the house select committee -- trajectories and entry and exit wounds and details of how different kinds of bullets work on impact and what goes into bullets -- was mediocre and unprofessional, almost as bad as the ballistics work from almost all conspiracy theorists (half the book is dedicated to demonstrating -- very effectively -- that single bullet from oswald's rifle did indeed pass thru jfk's neck to hit governor connally)

and yr right, the idea hickey carefully and deliberately aimed from that vantage point is extremely silly: the entire point of the book is that it was a horrible accident

it's very o/g csi

y'all are convincing me more and more of the "oswald acted alone but there were multiple coverup conspiracies anyway because everyone was afraid of being associated with him / that an investigation would turn up other totally unrelated things" theory. that or the mafia.

I like the Harrelson as contract killer theory

harrelson is ted cruz's dad btw

also lol the william f.buckley jr, was the umbrella man has an impressive amount of truculent internet traction