brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

There's been a lot of "we've been very clear on this" this decade along with the quintessential "Look..."

Let Me Be Clear seems to be the standard precursor of some more bullshit obfuscation by someone who is an habitually dishonest person, or Robbie Savage before he launches into another braindead challop on 5 live.

free speech on campus: important, but not as important as sticking right up johnny eu

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I've experienced a reasonable amount of pro-Brexit bias in the pub, the street, the Daily Mail etc.

do you think I should report it?

"There's been a lot of "we've been very clear on this" this decade along with the quintessential "Look..."

― nashwan, "

Irish football pundits and Listen

. "but Listen, these boys are no mugs"

are universities supposed to have a "non-biased" view on things?

DImbleby giving Jacob Rees Mogg the floor basically... whenever he wants it.

emma barnett to the rescue please.

(she was in his face yesterday morning on r5)

Both Jonathan + David regularly stand down when Mogg talks. More Gulags please!

Deferential.

This is JRM's pitch for PM and I have to say that he is playing very well. The Cunt.

Jacob Rees-Mogg says that women who seek abortion after rape are committing a “second wrong” - @zoe_beaty https://t.co/MI1uVvpCUX pic.twitter.com/piinX3n3fN

— The Pool (@thepooluk) October 26, 2017

The first wrong they committed is being raped.

That is very clearly not what he is saying there.

I mean, obviously fuck JRG and particularly fuck what he's saying there, but Jesus, get one reading comprehension.

*JRM

That's true enough. Thanks Andrew. I think. Maybe tone down the rudeness a notch.

Actually never mind, you're right.

Bah, no I'm sorry now.

The fault is mine for taking that tweet at face value and posting it without even reading it.

I assume what he's really saying there is "big knockers".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/25/memo-to-michael-bloomberg-heres-the-simple-reason-britain-voted-for-brexit

so, phil harrison voted for brexit because its shit where he lives, and wants it to be shit everywhere.

Phil otm

we've been here enough times - people vote for dumb reasons, most people tbh, but if the status quo sucks and you get a straight vote "more of the same y/n?" then it is - not surprising - when people vote n, however bad their told n is by the people invested in the status quo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/01/eu_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq7bWQfKLf2dhrSxHZc33L6sliDHwMZqfureAA8aKY4fE.png?imwidth=1400
Interesting map on EU funding here. Naturally the Tory government will match the EU funding shit places are current recipients of!

and yeah that leads countries to terrible places but the last thing I'm inclined to blame for that is the people who are ready to blindly gamble on anything that might make their lives different to what they are

so tycoons, technocrats, the never-impoverished calling you by implication stupid, this is not a tactic to win hearts and minds

yes there were also loads of people who voted Brexit because they are racist/xenophobic/watch a lot of WWII documentaries on Yesterday, and that set and the nation of shopkeepers and the pettiest of the bourgeoisie all overlap with the marginalized too but the point stands that there's nothing more grating to some ears - my ears - than the sound of centrist Dads lecturing us on why we should be happy for our gruel allowance

otm

I totally agree, but still think these Yesterday watchers will be disappointed when it is The Hunger Marches they get to experience rather than Blitz Spirit.

Bloomberg was bleating about liberal bias and censorship in US colleges on his own site the other week so wgaf.

xp

some of them will but we'll be warm in the glow of our own being rightness by then

Regardless on your perspective on Brexit, you'd have to have an incredibly skewed perspective to look at the Britain of the last 10 or so years and conclude that it was "doing so well". That blindness is kinda why this is all happening in the first place.

There's a lot of enemy-of-my-enemy bollocks going on right now though, exhibit a being the attempt to recast George Osborne as some kind of centrist liberal.

I think that kind of guff speaks to where the self-professed centrist liberals' real priorities lie tbh

let's not forget the mendacity, bad faith and outright lying that characterised both sides of the campaign, but Leave in particular. If we collectively have made a bad choice (and FWIW I think we have), it's in large part because of the lies told by a number of very prominent public figures. To some extent we get the politicians we deserve, but the Brexit referendum was particularly open to being exploited by the likes of Farage obviously but also the Banks and Johnsons of this world, leaving us in the mess we're now in. The hypocrisy and venality of those who lied to make Brexit a reality should never be forgotten. Then of course there's the irresponsibility of "Call me Dave" and co.

I could go on, and this is all nothing new, but there are guilty people out there and they aren't the Little Englanders who, however misguidedly, thought they were "doing the right thing".

Is that Teflon 2.0 working well for Osborne? I mean he doesn't even need to take any flak for the working tax credit cuts he sown into UC, his intraparty enemies are taking it all, while he takes hypocritical potshots from the safety of his ES office. It isn't really teflon, it's just that most moderates couldn't give much of a fuck about working poverty imo.

I totally misread the colour scheme on that map. Fuck's sake, why is more investment in people marked red?

ha yeah! It doesn't seem very intuitive colour scheming. Newquay and Wales are brexit voting places with most EU gruel to lose.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hIZCf_3_uVo/UNjdp5YeuxI/AAAAAAAAHlk/KRqraSkgRis/s1600/green+for+danger+poster.jpg

investment in people is the eu's biggest problem

that movie looks ace mark

it's terrific

Wasn't there going to be a Farage/Brexit feelgood movie at some point? Like a very bad Went The Day Well? remake, by Guy Ritchie or something.

many xps Osborne's not coming back, he's done as a politician. More likely to be on celebrity big brother than return to the house of commons.

So, er, maybe not that unlikely. Has he done Strictly Dancing yet?

i know he's not actually proofing the crossword, but being editor of a large-circulation london-based newspaper probably does take up quite a lot of his day (plus he's very obviously enjoying himself)

Fuckin Bexley News Shopper

Convenient that Greece has been left off that map.

Osborne's not coming back, he's done as a politician.

Oh, I definitely think he'll be back. The fucker is still only 46 years old, for a start.

His entire project at the Standard is trying to force through the conditions for his return to Westminster (pretty much destroying May and the group around her) but I dunno, I just think his ship has sailed. The climate for his kind of politics just doesn't exist any more, even if he could somehow rewind the Conservative Party to 2007 or even 2010 that wouldn't make him any more palatable to the wider electorate.

when are you going into politics btw

A bit like David Miliband, Osborne probably thinks he's Achilles sulking in his tent, when in fact he's... just some wasteman

tbf