It seems like a bad fusion of the concept of emotional labor in the workplace and unpaid domestic labor at home.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)
And then that got extended further, even to, like explaining stuff on facebook.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)
Also, maybe this is a little bit bad feminist/not-all-men of me, but I get annoyed when I see women who are basically young, single, healthy, childless, and not taking care of a sick partner or elderly parent or something like that complaining about it in the abstract. Like "yeah, I get it, women shoulder more of the burden in general, but YOU personally do not regularly spend your time responding to the constant needs, wants, requests, breakdowns and lash-outs of a 2-year-old and a 5-year-old. So spare me the lecture."
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)
that makes me feel old, because I'm like.. where did they find men who are completely out of touch with modern society who can't emote or discuss things or do laundry? are they socializing with my dad?
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)
man alive, that's not fair imho. i support you embracing your hesitations/qualifiers here --- people can stand up for other people and the whole thing with movements and consciousness-raising is that people discover that their own experiences are part of a struggle that includes people with other, different experiences.even if you need it to be for their own personal life, you may not know what all they've been through or witnessed. could be speaking out for a family member or friend they watched go through X for years, and recognizing that that person doesn't have the energy or time to speak out. or they may be thinking that the structurally disproportionate burdens of child-rearing are part of a larger complex of energy-draining expectations and exploitations that they've experienced in some different way that's not obvious to you (let's call it patriarchy). maybe they're very aware that they are privileged in not dealing with this problem directly, and think that comes with a responsibility to not act like it's not their problem. or maybe their awareness of these problems has shaped their lives in ways we don't know - maybe they decided NOT to have children because of poor support structures for mothers... who knows?disclaimer, one of the small feminist acts on my resume, which I do give myself (small sized) credit for when I'm feeling like a bad feminist, was speaking up at a meeting on departmental funding priorities, and saying that child care funding was important even though i'm a single man not planning to have kids, because it affects me in an unquantifiable way if my peers/colleagues are held back by these burdens. one of my affected colleagues told me it meant a lot to her, and that's meant a lot to me. so maybe for ego/emotional reasons this is a particular area where i'm biased towards speaking up on others' behalfs, while in other circumstances (e.g. stereotypical old-school white feminist claiming to speak for all women's issues) i might be inclined more to "oh who are you to speak for x?"
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)
it is pretty not-all-men, yeah. i hope no one is really lecturing you on it, all the same.
― assawoman bay (harbl), Monday, 23 October 2017 23:51 (eight years ago)
"processing" one's feelings. It sounds so industrial. Who the fuck wants processed feelings?
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Sunday, 5 November 2017 03:36 (eight years ago)
where did they find men who are completely out of touch with modern society
Tsk. As if you didn't already know. Old people, rural people, young urban holdouts. Social change doesn't happen uniformly.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 04:02 (eight years ago)
‘if i told you then i’d have to kill you’ strongly guarantees it would have been a painful story to listen to anyway, regardless of content
― estela, Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:04 (eight years ago)
Charlie: Excuse me, Lieutenant. Is there something wrong?Maverick: Yes ma'am, the data on the MiG is inaccurate.Charlie: How's that, Lieutenant?Maverick: Well, I just happened to see a MiG 28 do a…Goose: We!Maverick: Uh, sorry, Goose. *We* happened to see a MiG 28 do a 4g negative dive.Charlie: Where did you see this?Maverick: Uh, that's classified.Charlie: It's what?Maverick: It's classified. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.Iceman: ‘if i told you then i’d have to kill you’ strongly guarantees it would have been a painful story to listen to anyway, regardless of content
― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Sunday, 5 November 2017 06:49 (eight years ago)
Aimless, did you read my second sentence
― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 14:42 (eight years ago)
Yes indeed I did. Did you read my first (complete) sentence? I figured you had at least a strong suspicion about the answer to your first question, but your second sentence was framed as a question, too, making it sound "as if you didn't already know."
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:43 (eight years ago)
Internet communication is fraught with difficulties. Nuance may be present, but has a diminished impact in this format and so may not be noticed.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:46 (eight years ago)
well, when it’s vague whether i’m questioning rhetorically, you’re they’re to take up my slack, so... teamwork
― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)
'fuck': 'fuck him', 'fuck that', 'fuck them', 'fuck anyone who'. things are fucked but i'm sure we can fuck the world to rights
― ogmor, Sunday, 5 November 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFKU_hwj2o
― mh, Sunday, 5 November 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)
anytime a mass shooting or other horrible event happens, all the hand wringing about how shocked you are or how upset you are that you aren't shocked enough. not wanting this to "be normal" as if the world isn't a violent and scary place, as if sensationalism and interpretation of the news is all-important, cleaving righteously to an idealistic "normality" that doesn't and never did exist in reality.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 November 2017 12:17 (eight years ago)
At least it gives you yet another thing to feel superior about, policing people's emotional reactions like that.
In the spirit of the thread I'll point out that I hate the term hand-wringing as it usually refers to someone who's actually concerned about something rather than smirking down on people from an enlightened plateau of "rationality."
― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 6 November 2017 12:50 (eight years ago)
hi, I'm here to police your policing of adam's policing. you are now clapped in gaol. thanks.
― ogmor, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:28 (eight years ago)
The main bad thing about that post was that it wasn't about a word usage or phrase
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Monday, 6 November 2017 13:30 (eight years ago)
in a similar vein: people saying they are "gutted" every time someone famous dies. I'm trying to mourn Tom Petty here, I don't need to think about your intestines spilling onto the floor.
― President Keyes, Monday, 6 November 2017 13:47 (eight years ago)
that use of "gutted" has long been common in the uk but crossed the pond in recent years
― Lee626, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:38 (eight years ago)
was gonna say
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)
I was having a serious "why does everything weigh more in the future" moment
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)
when yanks say "preggers" i die a little bit in my mouth
― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)
even if i were english there's just no way i could use that word
― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:54 (eight years ago)
"veggies"
― dogs, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:54 (eight years ago)
I used to get the same reaction from "veg"
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)
wasn't that in the very first post?
― Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:57 (eight years ago)
no american actually says "preggers" unless they're a weirdo or into some sort of porn iirc
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 16:57 (eight years ago)
you'll see it on, like, buzzfeed
― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)
― Lee626, Monday, November 6, 2017 11:38 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh, I know. I know what you do over there.
― President Keyes, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)
"something'-Dad as a diss, as in 'Centrist-Dad'. I'm not even a dad, but there's something a bit sweeping and generalised (not to mention ageist) about this. I totally get that this is a stand-in for 'middle-aged white man with condescending opinions', but it doesn't sit right with me.
― Fox Mulder, FYI (dog latin), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)
― mh, Monday, November 6, 2017 11:57 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Oh, I've heard plenty of people say "preggers" and also "preggo". I hate it when people say "We're pregnant." No, you're not. Only one of you is. Stop this.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)
Pregrock dads
― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:22 (eight years ago)
"across the pond" is bad not good
― mark s, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)
Not just because it makes me feel like I live on a water feature
― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)
Thoughts and prayers (from people with no real intention of acting constructively)We stand with (as used by senior politicians increasingly on social media)Lest we forget (from people who seem to want to make ever-grander visible gestures of remembrance as if they really are terrified or forgetting or having been seen to have not remembered enough)
fite meh
― nashwan, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:31 (eight years ago)
I wonder how much thought and prayer they even get around to doing.
― jmm, Monday, 6 November 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)
How would you all feel about a joint US/UK adoption of the word "veggers"?
I think we can really make this one happen!
― Moodles, Monday, 6 November 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)
It would speed along its adoption, if each use of "veggers" was accompanied by a meme-ish facial expression and tone of voice, patterned after some popular sitcom character.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)
vegetables -> vegmathematics -> maths
fuckin' come on, british people
― mh, Monday, 6 November 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)
Day veggers
― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)
sports = sport
― phenibut rock (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 November 2017 20:35 (eight years ago)
math is short for mathematic
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:44 (eight years ago)
;_;
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:09 (eight years ago)
― Lee626, Monday, November 6, 2017 8:38 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mh, Monday, November 6, 2017 8:39 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i am of british descent but this kind of thing concerns me
― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:12 (eight years ago)
words crossing the pond i mean
westward
i've already caused offense, should've kept it to myself
― brimstead, Tuesday, 7 November 2017 03:13 (eight years ago)