Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

I recognized a certain way of talking about women as totally familiar from when I was growing up and at the same time felt like I had suddenly woke up to how repugnant it was.

otm. The style has only recently started to disappear too.

It's not exactly like suddenly poking your head out of a pool of sewage, it's more like getting a few miles above the sewage, forgetting it, and then suddenly looking down and being like "oh wait, I grew up in that sewage."

The style has only recently started to disappear too

The style is still extremely prevalent, though less ubiquitous.

In this very forum we still have that Lohan "hot ready and legal!" headline as a freaking thread title, so.

(evry time that thread would pop to the top I'd feel a bit ill)

it was a headline on the cover of Rolling Stone; i'm p sure the thread title was mocking it (but i agree that seeing it pop up on New Answers is kind of gross regardless)

Oh yeah I was aware it was a RS cover but yeah.

And also just the fact that it was a Rolling Stone cover.

Your years and my years were very different. https://t.co/8u0BdLaHYQ

— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 18, 2017

good thread too

good point on that thread that Rosenberg's piece seems to be more about wistfully reliving his glory days in Hollywood hanging out w/Weinstein more than it seems to be about honest self-examination.

“and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. “

This negates every word in his “prose”.

— Jocelyn Stanton (@jocelynmstanton) October 18, 2017

I momentarily cringed when I read that line but initially chose to overlook it, and that's like a microcosm of the way we as men often overlook such things. Looking at it in isolation though it's really awful -- "By the way, even though he raped women, some women also slept with him willingly," What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Let alone "succumbed" and "bulky charms." Disgusting.

Just briefly going back to the LiLo RS thing, imagine all the back patting in their offices when they genderflipped the same headline some years later...

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/691571/thumbs/o-JUSTIN-BIEBER-LINDAY-LOHAN-HOT-READY-LEGAL-570.jpg?6

Ha! Just noticed that Bieber cover has a headline that inspired another long-running ILX thread.

Global Warming: Mysteries of Batman.

Global Warming: Hot, Ready, and Legal

Two different ILX thread titles on one cover, sort of

https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22339070_10210118009210198_8150974711524824851_o.jpg?oh=2896f78c2b25a85a6d5a9357c1be40fd&oe=5A7846E6

i know it doesn't mean anything just felt like it was my civic duty to post that picture....

good ol' ?oh=2896f78c2b25a85a6d5a9357c1be40fd&oe=5A78 and OJ Simpson

?Oh= to his pals

did that picture not show up? it's a dumb picture anyway. though scorsese-movie-extra harvey isn't a sight you see much.

I see it. now I can't unsee it.

young harvey clearly taking fashion and grooming tips from ron jeremy

he looks like mark ruffalo a bit

jesus don't give ruffalo an epic rise and fall of harvey movie idea. although..........

he'd have to go the full lamotta.

looks like Al Lettieri in The Getaway

Jeff Garlin is the obvious pick for a Harvey Weinstein biopic.

Whoever the fake-Harvey was on Entourage did it well.

Linda Bloodworth-Thomason: Lessons from Witnessing Four Decades of Harassment in Hollywood

In Quebec today, a major radio/TV personality (Eric Salvail) was put on leave following a major report on his workplace sexual harassment. The Weinstein affair reportedly motivated the main accuser to go public.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-media-star-eric-salvail-on-leave-following-allegations-of-sexual-harassment/article36641603/

12 hours later, one of the most powerful men in Quebec culture - Gilbert Rozon, founder of the Just For Laughs comedy festival - has stepped down as similar allegations begin to surface:
http://www.lapresse.ca/arts/201710/18/01-5140481-allegations-dinconduite-sexuelle-gilbert-rozon-demissionne-de-ses-fonctions.php

I liked that Bloodworth-Thomason piece a lot, but I still don't understand the free pass that is given to Bill Clinton. Does she just not believe the allegations against him from multiple women?

However, I will be the first to admit that clearly delineated moral choices can still be painfully complex where friendship is involved. One of the best friends I will ever have and a man I love dearly, former President Bill Clinton, has certainly taxed my feminist conscience, but always without diminishing my affection. I even helped write his apology to the nation for his own sexual misconduct, was sitting next to him when he delivered it, and believe to this day it was based on something that was none of our business. And yes, some may call it hypocritical, but I confess to having had no problem warning at least three top-level Democratic operatives against allowing Harvey Weinstein to host political fundraisers. A warning that evidently (and to the glee of Fox News) fell on deaf ears.

yeah this is unfortunately right-wing fodder for left-wing hypocrisy.

painfully phony

otoh, quebec is outlawing the use of scarves and sunglasses ('while receiving public services') in an attempt to stamp out creeping sharia

what Morbs said

had to wonder if this had always been the case, but the first piece of trivia" that appears when I just watched "Caddyshack" on Amazon was:

"Cindy Morgan did not want to appear topless in the movie. While Harold Ramis was amenable to changing the scene, producer Jon Peters asked to talk to her while Ramis had her on the phone. When the call ended, Peters informed Ramis that Morgan would do the topless scene--because he told her she would never work again in Hollywood if she didn't."

quick search later and

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/08/jon-peters-sexual-harassment.html

Then another major Quebec media personality today:

[DERNIÈRE HEURE] L'animateur vedette @GillesParent visé par des allégations d'inconduites sexuelles #JDQ https://t.co/g9RCAbpUly pic.twitter.com/MY2m2nWSgt

— Le Journal de Québec (@JdeQuebec) October 19, 2017

I mention all this because it occurs to me that one of the possible outcomes of the (snowballing) Ghomeshi/Cosby/Weinstein parade is not a major upset of systemic misogyny and sexual harassment or assault, but just a slaying of some of the (hundreds of) big whales.

yep, there is quite a lot of light being shed, it seems.

Can't help but hope that slaying a bunch of the whales and upsetting systemic misogyny are interrelated

now Ann Coulter of all people is going after the gossip columnists who wrote the hit pieces on Ambra Gutierrez. it must be the "Democratic donor" angle w/Weinstein that got her going.

Tarantino speaks

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html

“I knew enough to do more than I did,” he said, citing several episodes involving prominent actresses. “There was more to it than just the normal rumors, the normal gossip. It wasn’t secondhand. I knew he did a couple of these things.”

“I wish I had taken responsibility for what I heard,” he added. “If I had done the work I should have done then, I would have had to not work with him.”

Uh.

well, that seems like one of the more honest apologies at least, although it's hard to understand why he didn't do anything even with his own girlfriend getting harassed.

The anecdotes coming from men are really just stark illustrations of the ludicrous amount of power this shitbag wielded in his corner of the world.

also indicative of those men's tolerance of assholes with power

I'm not defending him, but QT's career would've been over (or at the very least radically different/diminished) if he tried to buck his major benefactor. Weinstein's industry power was basically hush money for people like QT.

and yeah obviously people like QT ultimately weighed getting to make their movies the way they wanted to as being worth more than their coworkers/employees/significant others' safety

otm

frankly I think Tarantino comes off about as well as he possibly could in that piece, given his own admitted culpability

I dunno. Weinstein was no doubt instrumental in turning Tarantino into a star director, but he became a star pretty early on. Basically, after Pulp Fiction he could have got anyone to produce his films, he was probably just more comfortable continuing with Weinstein. There weren't too many people who could have challenged Weinstein without paying much of a price, but I'd say Tarantino was one of them.