Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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I thought it was a good game. Everton played like men possessed. It was like Joe Royle's dogs of war. Stubbs was heroic.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 22 December 2002 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

It gladdens me no end to read that, Kilian. It was the defence I was most worried about, what with Yobo and Unsworth missing.

It was specifically Jim O'Rourke's "I Took The Opportunity To Antique My End Table" remix off Two Gentlemen that got me through the last seven minutes, if anyone's interested. It could work with, say, Brum-Villa too.

Any thoughts on just what Stevie G was trying to do with that 'tackle'? Apart from end Naysmith's career, that is.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

He says that he was trying to pull out, and I must admit that through my red-tinged eyes it looked that way live too, if he had wanted to end Naysmiths career there he could have done, but his studs landed short of doing it.

For what it's worth I agree with Radio 5, neither team deserved to win it, but as the Guardian said this morning, Moyes bringing on Roonaldo just as the uintroductyion of Heskey and Smicer (who would ever have thought I'd write that sentence?) was a tactical masterstroke.

chris (chris), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd just like to point out that while it's nice to have a thread for the Merseyside also-rans, 2003 will be Chelsea's year. I already have my ticket for the final home game v Liverpool, and I look forward to celebrating as we clinch the title by trouncing the reds. Rather like we stuffed Everton already - twice.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd love to see an end to the Red hegemony, and the least evil option from the traditional chasing pack (EFC being Xmas guests, maybe on a visitors' visa) is a Chelsea triumph. You certainly stuffed us in the Worthless Cup, but quite how you got away from Goodison with three points is a bit of a mystery. Any team with Zola ain't all bad.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

dr c, it is not long since you were calling for ranieris head!

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
Oh no -- according to the www, Liverpool are losing at home to Crystal Palace!

Let's hope they survive.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I was hoping for that result, and for Gillingham to beat Leeds, so that we'd have Gillingham vs Palace on live TV.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a bit of a shocker! an own goal to compound the misery as well!

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

And palace were a man down for the last 20 mins.

Still never mind, they'll be able to concentrate on the league... must practice saying that for when Chris gets in....

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

2-0 to the Palace! And ten man Palace!

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Concentrate on the league? What, on finishing sixth?

Fantastic. They'll be dancing on Westow Hill tonight.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, Liverpool can still qualify for Europe this season!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

intertoto

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, yeah, forgot about the league cup final.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom can you delete Gerard Houllier please.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Quoi?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

And the rest of the club too.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

that heskey miss was sensational

zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard Gerard say recently that Liverpool have actually had more shots on target than any other team in the P-ship this season - I guess they just haven't been very good shots on target. And judging by last night's performance I can believe it. So does mean that Liverpool's problem isn't lack of width/creative players but rather that the front pairing isn't right? Should Baros be given an extended spell in the 1st team? Should we sell Owen while we could still get big bucks for him?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

JtN's last sentance would have been sacrilegous 6 months or more ago, but it's looking more and more like good business sense, I've had two very in-depth discussions about him on the last week and the topic has come round to one thing. Owen relies on one shot, the curled shot past the keeper into the top right of the goal, you can see him do it every time. However, now his confidence is low, he seems to be scuffing a hella lot more than he connects with, leading to the current plight. Can we wait for the confidence? I don't know to be honest, but Baros has played well enough to give him a run out. Maybe resting Owen for more than just one game could be the answer, not to do with tiredness but to do with him realisisng that he needs to fight for his place.

Word is that Reebok are sponsoring Liverpool to the tune of 100 million and that iit's going to be spent on players (hmmm, and not the new Anfield), but if we ain't in the hampions league, we ain't gong to get the best.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Word is that Reebok are sponsoring Liverpool to the tune of 100 million and that iit's going to be spent on players (hmmm, and not the new Anfield), but if we ain't in the hampions league, we ain't gong to get the best.

Maybe it depends who's choosing them. Houllier spent 43 million on the following outfield ten:

Heggem, Xavier, Traore, Vignal; Cheyrou, Diomede, Biscan, Smicer; Diouf, Heskey.

What a team, eh? To be fair, in a few cases, they helped win LFC those three cups. But a few more were intended to take LFC to the next level. Next level down, I guess. Houllier does seem to be becoming increasingly paranoid and delusional though (not necessarily about the shots-on-goal thing - they do waste a lot of chances, think of the 0-0 home draw with Sunderland).

Or is this a False Dusk?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 February 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope it is Jonesy, I really do.

Out of those ten, I would keep Vignal (will be good in the future and was pretty cheap, he was flying before he got injured), Diouf (apparently had his best 45 minutes for Liverpool in the first half last night) and of course Heskey, who is a god to me (but I haven't seen *that* miss yet).

Smicer though? the sooner we're rid of him the better, he's rubbish. And I ain't too sure about Cheyrou either.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

if we'd scored even a third of the chances we got last night then we'd have been hailing a very good performance but then that's been the case all season, hasn't it? some strange noises coming out of anfield re. hamann yesterday also.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

What were these strange noises? Animal noises? Or some kind of spooky chanting?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

when i say "that's been the case all season" i am not saying that's been the only reason we've had such a poor season, just that we've missed an impossible number of good goalscoring opportunities. they'd make a video in themselves.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the noises were a cross between squeaky trainers and blowing raspberries.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

and they were sounding as if they were saying "come to Bayern Didi"

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm not convinced by the lack of width problem, arsenal don't have flying wingers either tho they do have a tighter pitch (hem hem), tho pires n' ljungberg are masters of timing. murphy and cheyrou are good enough i think

diouf is sadly maligned but i don't think he'll ever be the ticket. squeezing a bit of value out of him by playing him on the wing won't fool anyone

i love cheyrou!! don't u think he looks really good in possession

zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I think he looks really good full stop.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I think he looks a bit panicked in posession, maybe he needs to get used to the premiership's pace (what a cliche!) or something, but the slagging he got last night on 606 would indicate something wrong with at least last night's performance.

chris (chris), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe resting Owen for more than just one game could be the answer, not to do with tiredness but to do with him realisisng that he needs to fight for his place.

If it's good enough for Dudek, then it should be good enough for Golden Boy.

Venga, Friday, 7 February 2003 11:36 (twenty-three years ago)

resting dudek my arse! if kirkland hadn't got himself then dudek would never have played again, such is houllier's 'master plan'

zemko (bob), Friday, 7 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

got himself injured rather

zemko (bob), Friday, 7 February 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Zemko, I meant that if under-performances (esp that Man U game) cost Dudek his place in the team, then his missing five sitters every game should be worthy of little Mikey being passed over for a few weeks.

Stick him in the reserves, let him net a few and get his confidence back. This is a good plan, just ask Milan Baros. Although, I still have a sinking feeling that Houllier will insist on picking MO against Boro tomorrow. Bah.

Venga, Friday, 7 February 2003 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Last night I saw Everton get thrashed 6-0 by Newcastle, and then beaten 1-2 at Goodison by a Southampton team who came back from a goal down.

I think the manager needs to stop the slide pronto, or he could be in for a rough ride.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

B-but I've signed Winston Bogarde, Ali Benarbia and Soren Krogh, we're 8th and I have the full backing of the board!

(Nipping this in the bud... any potential Championship Manager 2001/02 talk perhaps deserves its own thread. Or contempt.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
Revive!

It's the Goodison derby in five days' time and to my pleasant surprise (and, no doubt, to the Rednoses' astonishment) Everton remain a sliver ahead of Liverpool in the table going into it. Reading my cautious blabberings above I think I expected us to be about 11th by Easter weekend.

So, what do we reckon? EFC still grinding out narrow victories, LFC vacillating between brilliant and dismal. I suspect a lot rests on Radzinski's fitness and Hyppia's suspension status.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 14 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

It's just impossible to tell with Liverpool these days, without being vindictive I really hope Houllier leaves this summer but it doesn't look likely.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

If Liverpool are at their best they can win it, but who knows how good they'll be on the day? Anyone's guess. I hope Everton win, I hope Houllier goes - they are so dull to watch!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
dr c dodged my ranieri question!

what are you thinking re: chelsea now dr.c?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I woz wrong - CR is a good manager. We fight, we play good football and we win, so overall I'm happy.

At the moment I am extremely worried that we will end up fifth - the Villa loss was a dreadful result. I think West Ham might be a tough game as they need the points and they've beaten us once already this season. For next season we need a stronger/larger squad, espec. for Europe - we've been quite lucky with injuries this year, but may not get away with it again. Big problem - no money Priorities - a) a ballwinner to replace Petit and release Lampard b) an international striker - JimmyFloyd's era may be up, Zola needs handling carefully at 37 and Cole is not yet ready. I'd love to get Beattie, but they can't afford him. c) an attacking/wide or central midfielder to give more cover there. I think DeLucas will come good eventually, but Gronkjaer wavers and Stanic is dreadful.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, well, someone had to revive this. After Easter weekend I didn't have the heart.

Everton really running out of steam now - bringing Big Dunc on for the last half hour and pitching balls up for him smacks of the bad old days (but nice when they rebound to Wayne's left foot). Very little going on in midfield, a true creative drought in the derby and simply outpassed by Chelsea (again). Radzinski can't come back quickly enough.

Liverpool now finishing as strongly as they did in 2000-01 (didn't they win 6-0 at Ipswich in the closing stages of that season?); we need a Fowler special at the Anfield Road end next Saturday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

what do the liverpool fans think of baros now?

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

still think he's ok, he doesn't get a long enough run to be truly sure. You can't judge him on last weekend's performance, I reckon I'd have got a couple against the baggies the way they were playing.

chris (chris), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Wayne Rooney could decide the title.

Many people have been talking as though United will win all their remaining games. If they had Sunderland after Charlton I'd agree. But Everton, at Goodison, on the final day? I can't see United winning that. In which case, if Arsenal beat Leeds, Soton and Sunderland, the title is likely theirs - possibly on goal difference. No?

(If Arsenal *don't* win the title, Rooney will have played his part by inflicting their first defeat.)

the pinefox, Friday, 2 May 2003 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd be surprised if United don't beat Everton, extremely surprised, the way they're playing now.

I think Liverpool should be able to overcome their hoodoo with Chelsea, Baros still missed loads of chances against West Brom.

Though none were as bad as Lampard's glorious miss against Fulham.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree about Liverpool vs Chelsea. I think Man U will draw at Goodison. Nil-nil.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

i think 'pool will sneak a champions' league spot, too. as for man u, i'd put my money on them to beat charlton and everton, but i'm not as certain of it as some seem to be. i wouldn't be surprised if rooney foiled us, either. maybe arsenal will slip up before the everton game (i don't think there's even a slight possibility of them dropping anything to sunderland on the last day). i'll go with man u to win the title, but i'm only about 55% sure.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the likeliest scenario is still the one in which United win the title this coming Sunday afternoon, *but* if it does go the distance then I think it's Arsenal's on GD.

Man Utd's Goodison victories have become depressingly routine in recent years - I think the opening day of 99-00 with Jaap Stam's hilarious own goal was the only time in the last seven or eight seasons we've got anything off them. However, we matched them for 86 minutes at Old Trafford and I refuse to contemplate a season like this one ending with the anticlimax of a home defeat to anyone...
so 1-1.

I think Liverpool will lose out on a Champions' League place on the ol' GD an' all. (Ideal scenario: they lose to both Man City and Chelsea, Everton pick up six points and the Blue Dream is realised).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)


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