TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROAD HOUSE

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circumnavigate's probably the most "right," but the dictionary's definition of circumvent as "To surround, enclose or entrap" makes me giddy in this context.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nativafm.com.br/letras/swayze.gif

― Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

No one from Saved By The Bell got naked in Roadhouse, so the winner is clearly Showgirls.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I still stand by BARB WIRE, especially now that I've seen Roadhouse.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

In celebration of this thread's almost anniversary. Thanks to the good Mr. Chaki, I was able to pick up that ridiculous Showgirls special edition box set for hypercheap. But will Roadhouse ever have a special edition packaged with a mullet and black T-shirt?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and a pair of cowboy boots with a secret blade in the toe.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

AW YEAH

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually a Showgirls musical would be a logical endpoint of something. But so would a Roadhouse videogame set in the GTA universe.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

I took part in a Showgirls blog orgy this morning. Bump and grind.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:35 (twenty years ago)

having watched it last saturday, this pundit selects... SHOWGIRLS.

― chocolate orgone accumulator (haitch), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Swayze as Zen Bouncer. This must be homage to Dalai Seagal. Plus, the bad guys drive a monster truck. You can't fuck with this!

And I love the scene where that one dude is about to touch up that chick, and her Daddy says 'You can kiss 'em for 20!' in the hickiest voice ever. I use to say that line a lot.

― Mestema (davidcorp), Thursday, 12 January 2006 12:05 (twenty years ago)

I've never bothered with either, as I like, y'know, good movies. Unless they're transcendent, stylish botches like Ed Wood's or Oscar Micheaux's, which I guess means I need to try Showgirls at some point. Sam Elliott's presence suggests Road House (which I've seen a few scenes of on TBS and heard Tom Servo sing about) isn't worthless enough.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't seen either of these movies!

― Dan (Baffling) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Whoa. I think I know what I'm bringing with me when I visit in April.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Morbius, you need to try Showgirls. Really, if there is a definition of "transcendent botch" it's Showgirls.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm worried that ppl who hold that opinion also think Starship Troopers is sharp satire.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Honey don't even insult me like that.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

But some of Showgirls' Generation Y champions maintain it is, in fact, great -- "easily the most significant film of the 1990s" per Eric H. Anyway, I can't be part of this debate til I see it...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Showgirls over and over again

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's what I'd expect you to say, kf.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

What, you wouldn't favor such a flick with dialogue like "Ah'm a dance-sah, not a whooar" or "You got low self-esteem, baby, you're a fantastic fuck," or such passionate lovemaking rendered onscreen in its "epilepsy in a pool" form?

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

fwiw, I don't think Starship Troopers is anywhere near as great as Showgirls. But something tells me Showgirls is not your speed. Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I think we have. Winter Soldier andThe Joy of Life? (but I didn't like War of the Worlds as much as you did.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

if i ever type anything like as I like, y'know, good movies i want someone to shoot me with a potato gun. k?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

also, I had to vote for Showgirls, b/c Demolition Man isn't one of the choices

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but what trash-art (or artsploitation or whatev) movies have we agreed on? I'm more curious than accusatory...

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

if i ever type anything like as I like, y'know, good movies i want someone to shoot me with a potato gun. k?

CPFG OTM

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

kingfish, it's ok. Don't worry about it.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

In fact please never worry about anything again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

Right-o, then. Next time there's a need to rep for Demolition Man, someone give a holler.

xpost ned, can i be "deeply troubled" over something?

― kingfish new taco bell and rob schneider (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to remember other trash-art you've extolled, EH -- I Accuse My Parents? I liked The Last Boy Scout.

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy. Really, the whole Snicker Patrol aesthetic has really infected hipsterdom like a plague. Celebrate junk, go hear Wing live in Quebec... my time's a-wastin'.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I've never seen Roadhouse.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's really part of the cultural fabric in England, not like Showgirls.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Further proof that you are not really an American. Get out, you commie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?
-- Eric H., January 12th, 2006 10:59 AM. (Eric H.)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy.
-- Dr Morbius, January 12th, 2006 11:25 AM.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy. Really, the whole Snicker Patrol aesthetic has really infected hipsterdom like a plague. Celebrate junk, go hear Wing live in Quebec... my time's a-wastin'.

speak english.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

discus

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

That's when I reach for my potato gun.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Put it this way: have we really agreed on all that much aside from Spielberg, Morbs?
-- Eric H., January 12th, 2006 10:59 AM. (Eric H.)

Just be sure to see all this year's Razzie winners before 2046, fatguy.
-- Dr Morbius, January 12th, 2006 11:25 AM.

-- Eric H. (ephende...), January 12th, 2006.

I don't get it.

When I started reading a lot about film in the high school liberry, only the Medved brothers were creaming themselves over 'bad' films, and we know how one of them ended up. So this could be a generational thing. Again. *sigh*

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Yes, to love bad movies is to be a Nazi. Er, wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kilroywashere.org/09-Images/Eric/Mein_Kampf.jpg

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

dr morbius, how do you feel about buckaroo banzai?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Um, the Medved brothers pretty much hated all those movies for real (the fire and brimstone was there even then; re-read the anti-gay snipes in their coverage of Ivan the Terrible -- or, better yet, don't read it at all as it's vile writing generally)... back then and now. I don't hate-love Showgirls. I love-love it.

Anyway, I was only pointing out that we don't have as similar taste as it would otherwise seem. Taste(lessness) =/= depth of perception, thankfully.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand the turn this thread has taken.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Because you laugh at things, you are full of hate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

(x-post x-post)

Oh, and:

Humorless filmgoers in the 1960s/70s: "This retroactive love for Sirk... must be a generational thing."

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

eric i like your blog.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand the turn this thread has taken.

(but seriously, thanks.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

No, Ned. To love TRULY bad movies is a waste of time. I need the MST3K robots to amplify and redirect the entertainment... or rather, needed, since I haven't rewatched the show since it ended.

I remember seeing Buckaroo Banzai when it first came out, loving Lithgow (Dr Lizardo?) and being otherwise indifferent.

Eric, I sometimes wish I had your taste; I've never encountered someone younger who likes Jerry Lewis more than I do.

I don't hate-love Showgirls. I love-love it.

That's very clear; it's the oozing ubiquity of hate-love I am railing against in my pre-dotage. And I haven't seen that Medved book in forever, so I'll take your advice. (btw, so you find Showgirls to be a triumph of Verhoeven spinning Eszterhas into gold? cuz I think most pervy college kids could barf up that dialogue, they just wouldn't have the balls to film it.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

In praise of bad movies

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

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