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Like that's a destructive ideology too but that's not what Joe Rogan is enabling when he gives a platform to Gavin McInnes or Milo Yiannapolous.

I was waiting for someone to point that out (without even getting into the whole history of pre-/non-capitalist art).

I mean, there was truth to that argument. Even Marx admitted that capitalism was the engine of mind bogglig innovation and social progress. That's why it was supposed to give rise to the conditions of its own undoing...

Why for people make things if no $$$, waste of time dood.

It's capitalism has given fuckers the free time to craft the artisan pieces that we're tripping over in the st tbh

Ok in ilxtopia ppl will all join into worker communes where we make tractors or whatever, and then carve cunning figurines in our spare time, great, carry on lads

It doesn’t sound that bad tbh, if someone would just all that up (maybe stet?) I’ll go ahead and try to cram my gear into my pack.

Bespoke tractors fyi making tractors, or anything really, is just performance art now that we all only basically live off silicon valley intellectual sweat iirc

Maybe the Russian poet is watching his mother die of cancer,
Or is bleeding from an unhappy love affair,
Or is bursting with happiness and wants to sing of wine, roses, and nightingales.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/images/mayakovsky.jpg

Anyway, Peterson is neither a theologian nor a philosopher, and he certainly isn't interesting. If I was Jung I read Jung, and I'm more than capable of misunderstanding Darwinism all by myself. The guy gets $65,000 a month (!) off the back of some notoriety as a transphobe - right wing teenage boys are a gold mine if you're willing to add a veneer of authority to their prejudices.

Ha, I sometimes considering starting a thread devoted to Jordan Peterson. He is an endlessly fascinating phenomenon to me.

*consider

at a time when young scholars struggle to find next month's paycheque, this old tenured white guy hits on a way to pull in a VAP's annual salary every month via an absurd anti-pronoun crusade (on top of his http://www.sunshinelist.ca76K CAD salary from UToronto), while simultaneously portraying himself as a perpetual victim.

I think we can all agree that there is a certain breed of grossly ill-informed, emotionally deficient undergrad outrage-bots which are not worthy of serious consideration, and it would make it easier to hear these icons of the alt.right out if you didn't have to slog through their tales of fighting with them

*http://www.sunshinelist.ca76K CAD salary from University of Toronto
xp

$176K CAD: http://www.sunshinelist.ca

yeah he's a huckster, his audience sucks, & his pronoun (& postmodernism) obsession is so irritating & always the opening bit for way too log in every interview i've seen. none of it comes off as transphobic to me, but he's clearly marketing and profiting himself to an audience of transphobes. having said all that i found the stuff he's said about religion and art and structure and music utterly compelling - i haven't read much jung so it's very likely it's all in there. i don't think he's alt-right & he doesn't identify as alt-right - he keeps it vague & tries to have it both ways.

Is he still worried about pronouns? I haven't been keeping up.

Ok. I’ll give this a try. pic.twitter.com/Ft4CpqYWrg

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 15, 2017

go crazy

http://dailysignal.com/2017/04/03/politically-incorrect-professor-gets-denied-grant-funding/

I haven't read his scholarly work, honestly, but I have no doubt that he has interesting things to say; I would hope that's the case if he has tenure at the highest-ranked school in the country. As far as I can tell, though, this bizarre online activism career seems to be a primary focus for him these days. I assume that's why he didn't win this $400K peer-reviewed research grant this year, although he has convinced right-wing media in Canada and the US that there is a politically correct conspiracy against him: http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/an-opportunity-to-make-their-displeasure-known-government-pulls-funding-of-pronoun-professor. (I do take some relish in that he has managed to get the National Post comments section outraged that the government isn't giving enough tax money to a social scientist.)

2xp!

("That's why" = he has been spending his time on 'activism' as opposed to research, not that his activism has offended the Politburo that controls SSHRC grants)

he has a pretty entertaining way of talking. kind of a funny voice, working himself into a frenzy arguing -- in monologue -- with some caricatured version of his opponents' arguments. i also appreciate how he points to the gulag archipelago as a guide to what awaits us if the cultural left gets away with their preferred pronouns.

i think this "activism" stuff is a ruse though. he has a thing he sells called the "self-authorship program" which helps disaffected young people (mostly men) "sort themselves out." i think he is trying to market this to the gamergate crowd by setting himself up as the guru of the lost boy shitposters.

if this is the case, it's not too bad. in theory, he'll redirect the attention of these people away from the culture wars and toward introspection, encouraging them to master their own lives before they try to dominate others. i even saw a thing once where he said something like, "think about it. you're 20 years old. what do you know about the economy? sort yourself out! (TM)" he was addressing a hypothetical leftists (as usual) but the argument could still apply to folks on the right who similarly turn to politics to avoid the problems in their own lives. maybe they'll get the message.

anyway, this guy w

is def more of a self help guru than anything else, with his jungian archetypes. i feel weird that i know so much about him but there are just SO MANY youtube rabbit holes to fall into.

the function of government or large organizations in general is to determine how to address the aggregate needs and desires of individuals at the group level and the human element has been set aside as people substitute profitability and the flow of capital as a measure of success instead of determining how to help individuals

it’s not that government is there to shape lives and tell people what their role is, it’s that it should exist to provide a framework for possibility that benefits all people and ensures everyone has the access to make their own way

it’s not government regulation and taxes and affirmative action keeping people from reaching their potential, it’s regressive economic and social forces keeping your peers from elevating the best among them

Lament For the Pronouns

O! Pronouns, why must thou be so ill-equipped
for your job, that poets' wings are clipped
when they, of many a shape, & gender,
must limit perforce their poetic tender
to "I, it, he, she, we, you, they"?
There's got to be a better way.

Rogan pressing Milo Y on the consent stuff probably helped his downfall.

I don't like how he defends Alex Jones but I think it's possible he's made Jones a joke with some people who would normally take him seriously. They're friends but Rogan makes fun of him all the time.

bravo Aimless

A pro-tip more than a controversial opinion, really, I guess.

If you are irked because someone you know on social media is connected to a controversial figure, DO NOT publically tag the person you know in a post on social media. That is bullshit.

Consider, instead, contacting the person you know directly.

ugh, yes

On a similar note, I know the entire idea of subtweeting is a broken premise because you're basically all shouting in the same room and assuming since you didn't directly draw attention they might not notice what you're saying, but being able to publicly comment on things or people without directly drawing their notice is fine. People who immediately tag whoever they think is being criticized are doing no good.

Then again, there are times where I've wondered why the heck someone didn't try to directly ask about an opinion instead of taking a picture of a tweet as if to say "look at this fucking guy" when I respect both of them equally

Word.

This happened to me early today. Still trying to decide whether to respond.

At some point we need to realize that a random person saying something gross on social media is a non-story and deserves to be ignored or perhaps blocked/muted. It just isn't worth engaging.

Bragging about charitable acts cheapens the act. Performing virtue publicly cheapens the virtue. (Sometimes I think there is an argument to be made that certain acts/speech acts should be broadcast to 'lead by example' but 99% of the time this is not the case.)

Trump is bad. But not THAT bad.

Bragging about charitable acts cheapens the act. Performing virtue publicly cheapens the virtue.

feel like I was taught this from very early on at religious school, 2nd highest form of tzedakah etc

I feel weird about donation websites where it lists the donors, or amounts, or even both. Thankfully you can usually change it to be anonymous

Bragging about charitable acts cheapens the act. Performing virtue publicly cheapens the virtue. (Sometimes I think there is an argument to be made that certain acts/speech acts should be broadcast to 'lead by example' but 99% of the time this is not the case.)

― Mordy, Monday, October 16, 2017 3:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

where does it fall relative to not donating?

feel like I was taught this from very early on at religious school, 2nd highest form of tzedakah etc

― Οὖτις, Monday, October 16, 2017 3:25 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I learned a "hierarchy" but don't remember it all. I think completely anonymous and unrequested charity is at the top, i.e. no one including the recipient knows who you are, but it's still more virtuous when only the recipient knows vs public. And obviously all giving is above not giving.

It's a Christian notion too, c/o the Gospel passages in which Jesus condemns Pharisees for praying loudly from front row seats at the Temple.

not a controversial opinion imo

xxp the top iirc might be giving someone the means to support themselves?

i think you're right it's not controversial it's just rarely practiced. i withdraw the statement.

where does it fall relative to not donating?

yeah probably better to donate and get credit for it than not donate at all.

imo you should loudly donate large amounts and then have the check bounce to truly do it all

ie Donald Trump it

he's mastered it, he never even writes the check

or the grandmaster move, present the check at a charity event an organization throws... at your venue, and they pay you much more than the donation

truly a thought genious

lolol @ trumpit

Better still, present a comically huge novelty check that you have no intention of backing up with real money

yeah probably better to donate and get credit for it than not donate at all.

― Mordy, Monday, October 16, 2017 5:33 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is there any intermediate point where they cross? say, i donate 1c less and don't brag about it. is that better? if not, the opinion seems vacuous

It's a Christian notion too, c/o the Gospel passages in which Jesus condemns Pharisees for praying loudly from front row seats at the Temple.

(it's a jewish thing that jesus was repeating just sayin)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzedakah