Is the West Experiencing a Right-Wing Drift?

Fortunately extreme right stagnated, and social democrats did well. (looking for silver linings here tbh)

Never change, Austria. Oh right, you weren't planning to.

(xp) Yes, but Little Lord Fauntlereich wants to get in bed with them.

Like fuck the extreme right stagnated -- Austria's "middle right" is Orban City. Also, the Greens have split in half, and the old party may not make it into Parliament -- the old white guy (who was kicked out for spurious reasons) went on a "foreigners are in fact shit, but we have to deal with them humanely" campaign and will be in. Which would leave Austria with exactly 0 parties not willing to describe immigration itself as a problem in the Austrian Parliament. Xenophobia isn't a left-right thing in Austria.

Years of hating Football and hating Lads vindicated

https://www.facebook.com/VICE/videos/1854923958154978/?hc_ref=ARSetkcjlQu1EAz2JHuUSDR-8LXsVhB0ohEM79HCA8-iVUlWkvvqnwU-ze0s9h4HwsI

#notalllads

Are the Football Lads Alliance the next right-wing street movement or the "backbone of this country" simply standing up to terrorism?

gosh i wonder

ffs I'm off to join ISIS.

http://tass.com/defense/959862

donald trump colluding with vladimir putin to steal the 2016 US presidential sure is drifty and grifty, sure as a snowless kilimanjaro rises like an empress above the serengheti

Years of hating Football and hating Lads vindicated

https://www.facebook.com/VICE/videos/1854923958154978/?hc_ref=ARSetkcjlQu1EAz2JHuUSDR-8LXsVhB0ohEM79HCA8-iVUlWkvvqnwU-ze0s9h4HwsI

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best thing about being a celtic fan is that our lads are inoculated from far-right nonsense by all being into irish republicanism and the palestinian cause

gordon hayward is sitting out on a season-long protest

^^ This is prob something to expand on in an ILF thread, but I got schooled on Spanish football/hooliganism while I was living there this year. It's very interesting that the divide/rivalry between fans there is mostly political (as is everything in Spain, but still). Sociedad/Bilbao, though fierce local derby rivals, form a pact with likeminded clubs like Vallecano (the left club from Madrid), Seville and to a lesser extent Barcelona (who have a right wing group that's banned from the stadium, but is considered left-ish, as opposed to Espanol, the right wing club in Catalunya). They fight and align along political lines.

See also this article. Don't know where else the divides and rivalry is dictated by left/right-wing politics. South-America maybe? I know too little about that. Fighting for the Palestinian cause would guarantee Celtic an alliance with the "left", anti-fascist Spanish clubs.

https://elpais.com/elpais/imagenes/2014/12/12/inenglish/1418379310_978569_1418400015_sumario_grande.jpg

that was an xp to JiV

Italy and Poland to some extent?

Yeah, that's probably otm. But it's interesting because in Northern Europe (UK included) I can only think of fan groups being right wing/fascist skinheads, at worst (dumbest), but never left-wing/radical/anarchist.

The real question obviously being which English club will be the first to embrace Radical Suk

St Pauli! And in Denmark BK Frem, a bit. Though they mostly express their anarchism through being relegated routinely for not following league rules...

In Italy Livorno definitely and I think Atalanta are two clubs whose ultras have a leftist bent, but most ultra politics is fash as fuck.

Anyone from, or knowledgeable about, New Zealand have any thoughts on new governing coalition between labour, greens and NZ First?

St Pauli and Celtic have a strong connection. When I went to Prague recently I did a bit of research on their football teams, and Bohemians are virtually the only Czech team with 'a left wing ideology' (to quote Wiki) - also the play in green and white so a no-brainer for any Celtic fan who happens to be at a loose end in Prague.

... also this:

Bohemians' mascot is a kangaroo, the legacy of a 1927 tour of Australia. Following the tour, the club was awarded two live kangaroos, which they donated to the Prague Zoo.

St. Pauli and Atalanta are good calls!

Great tidbit on the kangaroos.

this is all v interesting, ta for the map

Roma’s ultras are supposedly mostly left wing/left leaning, and at least one of their high profile ultra groups (Fedayn) has communist origins. Though this article seems to call them anarchist too?

http://www.romatoday.it/cronaca/maroni-identikit-scontri-15-ottobre-2011.html

The club’s politics are interesting and there’s a very comprehensive piece on them here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/11/roma-serie-a-alternative-club-guide

the roma thing is quit weird with the left-wing nature of the ultras often being touted and as you say the communist origins of the fedayn. have read (on forum of the Celtic ultras group by one of their members who has left-wing pals in the Roma ultras and who goes over for games) that nowadays it's really a mixed bag with both far-left and far-right in the same end or curva and definitely not with left predominating anymore.

Thanks for that article Gyac.

Not surprised about 'extremists' from both sides flowing over into one angry mob losing their political identity or class roots. I wen to the Anoeta stadium a couple of times this spring, Sociedad, with knowledgeable fans, and was genuinely pleasantly surprised to see the ultra's there carry banners and chanting for 90 mins against racism, fascism and their rival clubs, however easy it is to get swept up in that (and I was in a vip seat all the time; not my choosing, just saying they dictated the atmosphere with anti-fascism chants, which was a new one for me).

I mean all of Holland's "ultra's", or most fanatical fan groups, are just bigot, racist, boneheads whose ideology is best summed up with: our desire is to bash in the skulls of others because of no reason. As trite as this sounds, seeing a political undercurrent and having people who know tell me where that originated from (class struggles, obv Franco) was enlightening.

Centrists bashing centrists.

it's all islamphobia now, the train that cannot be stopped

't Is true. Though I'd love to pretend to live in a world where Charlton Athletic supporters chant Jute Gyte songs like tru bros and fuck with Das Kapital tbh. Make it so LJ.

Espanol, the right wing club in Catalunya

OK, that explains this...

http://i4.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article9394097.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/IMG-20161203-WA0018.jpg

Roma's left/commie leanings perhaps explained by Lazio being far-right and Mussolini's team

The founder of the Espanyol Rangers Supporters Club is a Spanish native with a Scottish mother and a Glasgow accent named Andy, who insists there are more similarities between the two clubs than initially meets the eye.

He lifts the lid on the origins of the link, explaining Espanyol supporters are mostly loyal to the Spanish union in a city where so many want Catalan independence.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-rangers-became-espanyol-fans-9394051

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/20/roma-uefa-chelsea-antonio-rudiger-champions-league

Maybe not the day to be making any very strong claims for Roma's lefty credentials.

Yeah, I was under impression Roma lefty stuff was all way in the past.

ah okay, fair enough

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-czech-election-farright/far-right-scores-surprise-success-in-czech-election-idUSKBN1CQ0T3

"Surprise"

Anti-migrant policies of Czech socdems sure worked out for them lol

Oh hey I'm in New Zealand, governing coalition is pretty damn left. In fact NZF went out of their way to go that way.

Tu meke. Heard some unpleasant stuff about NZF, but if they've made a deliberate effort to dial down the nasty, that's great.

Although this means that after that Patrick Wasteman guy in austria last week, there's now another head of government who is younger than me, a disturbing trend.

‘Pray for an Islamic Holocaust’: Tens of thousands from Europe’s far right march in Poland

one of only three nations standing up for that poor beleaguered minority -- the nazi

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-un-nazi-glorification-resolution-vote-against-free-speech-far-right-white-supremacist-neo-alt-a8066761.html

USA! USA! USA!

thought about bumping this with the collapse of merkel's coalition but it's still unclear to me how that's going to pan out

Friends in Germany are confident that the far-right party has split its support in recent weeks. But who knows anymore?

America votes against the resolution each year

come on i can only afford to worry about brand new shit.

i disagree that voting against that resolution is either an example of the US experiencing a right-wing drift or the West as a whole (who, except for the US, voted for the resolution).

Good municipal elections in Denmark yesterday. The populist right-wing party lost votes for the first time in municipal elections ever, and didn't get a single mayoral post - which is quite impressive, as they are the second-biggest party nationally. A lot of new far right parties failed to go anywhere, the main one, which has had so much attention that 12 local politicians has switched over to them, lost 11 out of 12 seats.

nice!

This is good background on the Polish far-right March and associated issues:

https://newsocialist.org.uk/poland-2/