The long overdue _Blade Runner_ thread

question : is this a film for a 14 year old who has not seen the original, or, is it too boring for a thrills-n-spills overloaded teen and for the dad only ?

there's a lot of nudity if that's a matter

Harrison Ford's crinkly old scrotum in 3d might be a bit much for some.

ah.
would not bother me him seeing such stuff (3d scrotum aside), but he would get his uncomfortable teenager face on.
like when he gets a naughty joke in family guy and tries to hide the fact that he gets it.

most of the nudity pertains to nubile holographic robogirlfriends

I don't think the nudity would be problematic; it's sexualised but not in any way sexy - like a last-gasp effort of capitalism to sell something when everything else has failed, so let's use a 100ft tall nude neon hologram girl.

You don't need to have seen the first. It is slow, but it's very cool to look at, and the action bits, when they happen, have more impact because of this. I winced in a way I never have with an Avengers movie.

its the slowness of it that i suspect will not appeal.

the couple of scenes where women get casually and graphically murdered for no reason I'm not sure I'd want a young teen watching

I felt pretty much bang-on average age (38) in the cinema. Reports I've read suggest it's not getting the teen market in the US. I was obsessed with 2001: A Space Odyssey when I was about 15, so I don't think slowness is necessary a teen no-no. I'd take them and try and realign their brain.

to be sure though, mark e, the movie is paced languidly at best

bugger, original is not on netflix/uk.
was going to make him watch that over the weekend and see how it went.

it's also got a very depressing depiction of the Earth's future where there is a chronic shortage of every color except orange and teal

to be fair, thanks to the maze runner/hunger games/enders etc mk2 loves futuristic dystopian bleakness, but they are obviously aimed at the younger crew.

Dude teal and orange is not a problem in this movie.

It’s less prevalent than in the original.

teal and sickly yellow, then.

http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2017/10/bladerunnerreview.jpg

do a gis. some images are teal, and the others are orange.

Jared Leto's House of Tron has a definite yellow theme going on in the film, like a giant backlit toilet bowl

saw this last night, loved it

should I see it again in IMAX

another plot hole

the horse is still radioactive but the place where it came from is no longer radioactive

that's not how radioactivity works

radioactivity in 2049 in much more advanced, u wouldnt understand

i am pretty dense it's true

i also had a hard time figuring out how gosling figured the memory maker as the daughter

He figured it out via a Usual Suspects flashback subroutine.
And also she looks kind of like Sean Young?

I appreciated the fact that they left the trail vague enough that it seemed, to my slightly slow matinee mind, like a twist I hadn't quite anticipated.

The little flashback/montage bit that happened wouldn't have been necessary had the movie been tighter, but it laid it out -- Deckard showed them how to scramble the records, explaining why it was unclear whether the kid was a boy or girl. But the girl's record, which you're mislead into thinking was the bogus one, had a disease recorded. As in, the kind of disease that would lead to a life in isolation. Her visceral reaction when she said "this is a real memory" seemed a little disproportionate to the trauma of the actual memory. She's able to brush off her parents as being offworld, having left her.

None of it directly pointed to "this is the woman" but it all fit, and was enough for someone who actually had the memory to work it out.

I was left guessing whether the disease part was true -- I'd lean on the side of "no" and it was just a very specific way for them to hide the daughter in plain sight, directly in view of the people who were seeking her, but out of reach.

The way the dude was handling the horse didn't suggest it was actually all that radioactive. Was the idea perhaps supposed to be that it had traces of some particular isotopes that indicated where it had been?

You don't see what memory K shows the girl. Then again the furnace memory did involve getting kicked in.

i was waiting for harrison ford to glue on a toothpick horn on the horse but instead got glitchy hologram elvis.

Enjoyed the movie. Spielberg meets Malick in a way. Not a masterpiece but pretty good and great atmoaphere.

that’s a good description imo

nothing malickian in this beyond some of the pacing imo

wait till you see adrien brody-bot cut scenes

I think villeneueve has a distinct style, whatever else you may say about him. But the one movie that kept coming to mind while watching this was A.I.

This is the closest stylistically to Enemy of all his movies (also my favorite of his until this one).

Yeah i meant the pacing regarding my Malick remark. Obviously not much of the malickian-nature themes here etc..

I really liked the slow pacing. A 90 minutes movie like this wouldve been generic as fuck. Giving the audiance time to obsorb the themes is great.

this seemed much more plot (and in a weird way action) driven than thematic.

I think there's a balance between the two more or less

I think the pacing was off regarding plot beats -- the entire replicant rebellion gets short shrift

This was very good

Haven't read any comments yet, no doubt I'll be back in an hour frothing at ye.

The only big missteps - they would've killed k after kidnapping declare, and the three minutes of matrix was shit and should never have made the screen

I saw it again, in IMAX, which I recommend. This is an astonishing piece of visual art.

I also picked up on some of the more subtle religious allusions the second time—Leto directly quotes Genesis at one point, in reference to the infertility of the biblical Rachel.

Also the secret daughter has something (fictional?) called "Galatians syndrome," suggesting that Officer K is a kind of Paul of Tarsus figure, a persecutor turned convert.

Re the replicant rebellion: it's there, but subtle. The implication at the end is that the daughter is a mole the Wallace Corp, implanting memories inside the replicants that, when triggered, can push them off baseline. That's the set-up for the sequel, I would suspect—or at least, it was, before it ate shit at the box office.

they've said, although maybe not truthfully, that there were no mysteries meant to be addressed in sequels

I thought the implication at the end was that the daughter is a mole for the _rebellion_ because K, like others, has this memory that is real that he dwells on. And it's the daughter's memory -- so while he's not the child in the memory, he wants to join with his kind to protect her and team with the underground

"all the best memories are hers" or something to that effect -- the rebels know where these memories came from

whoops you probably mean mole _in_ the Wallace Corp (although she's an independent contractor), not mole _for_

yeah, that's what I meant. they probably got the rogue subcontractor idea from Snowden

actually the plot twist I was waiting for, which never came, was that Joi was a mole for the Wallace corporation, setting up an Infernal Affairs mole vs countermole narrative

maybe it's better they passed on that one

they sure riffed extra hard on the Pinocchio angle for K

I know others didn’t care for it, but there was something compelling to me about the climactic fight scene. It’s duration, the relentlessness of the water. It felt like there is something going on there at least other than robots beating on each other.

It was a bit Bond. Maybe the car reminded me of that Bond one that went underwater.

having harrison ford flail helplessly for the entirety of it was (intentional?) chuckles