Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

It is oft repeated & bears repeating always that I and millions of women have heard and/or experienced stories like this our whole life.
yup, thank you for saying it VG

i'd also like to promote the idea of using the word predator in lieu of creep
creep is mushy, shapeless -- no one wants to be one but it's difficult (impossible) to properly define (unless you define it as "someone who violates consent in objectifying or interacting with people" which is the way I define it)
predator is more accurate, stings harder, sticks longer, and might change the way we think about the way we interact with each other
that's my hope at least

a creep is just a delusional predator
so let's just call them predators

predator it is then

:)

fuck bret stephens forever

NYT really getting the most out of their hate read columnists these days

ok i'll stick to a few particularly stupid sentences from that column

Perhaps it should come as no surprise that an industry built around pretended characters and scenarios could have pretended for so long that nothing was amiss. Perhaps it should be no surprise, either, that its concept of ethics is every bit as ersatz and inconstant as most everything else in Tinseltown.

same thing happened at Fox News, Penn State, BBC, & the Catholic Church.

The outrage over Mr. Weinstein also has a whiff of opportunism. In recent years, notes New York magazine’s Rebecca Traister, Weinstein has “lost power in the movie industry” and is no longer “the indie mogul who could make or break an actor’s Oscar chances.” Lame horses get shot.

??... the paper you write for "shot" Weinstein. he wouldn't have been fired if not for that story and Hollywood wouldn't have abandoned him.

The important truth is that he was just another libidinous cad in a libertine culture that long ago dispensed with most notions of personal restraint and gentlemanly behavior. “I came of age in the ’60s and ’70s, when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different,” Weinstein wrote in his mea culpa to The Times last week. “That was the culture then.”

That line was roundly mocked, but it contains its truth.

no it doesn't idiot

Hyenas cannot help their own nature. But the work of a morally sentient society is to prevent them from taking over the savannah.

holy shit lmao

they might as well have given Weinstein a guest crack at the op-ed page

Weinstein accuser Rose McGowan's Twitter account suspended

fuck you twitter! there is a fucking asshole i see that tweets hate daily, try pulling his fucking account you fucks !

i thought the bar was somewhere above threatening nuclear war with North Korea

Seriously, that was my first reaction. McGowan gets temp banned for taking a stand against serial abusers, but serial abuser in chief gets a pass? Fuck twitter.

Wow, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, Twitter needs to be obliterated.

Twitter needs to be obliterated nationalized.

The AV Club OTM here:

“It’s not clear which specific one of the actress’ tweets was targeted and reported to Twitter, and was apparently so offensive that the company decided it’d be a good idea to silence a woman at the heart of an entire scandal based around women being hushed-up and ignored.”

My guess (because I think this is how it works) is that enough people aggressively flagged her that the twitter robot acted. But that is bullshit, anyway. Twitter is a bunch of craven, capricious asshole hypocrites, like the rest.

Goddamn. It happened after she said fuck you to ben Affleck it seems (link

JiC, that's my guess as well. Which is vile.

If Huff Post's reporting is correct, this is a very serious matter for NBC— and for all NBC journalists. https://t.co/pwc6XSnzKO pic.twitter.com/wZMQo9PptM

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) October 12, 2017

Lol did he just figure out this was very serious

Also since Twitter is clearly absolute garbage why is literally everyone still using it constantly

twitter is the worst. you won't find me on there! the world must live without my tweeting.

i really hope harvey goes to jail.

twitter has its uses but it's hopelessly managed

though not looking forward to horrible courtroom coverage. with harvey in a wheelchair and a neck brace. gotta have the wheelchair and the neck brace.

From that HuffPo piece:

“Saturday Night Live” executive producer Lorne Michaels was criticized for not including any Weinstein jokes

I get the NBC entanglement but this is just silly. SNL now compelled to make specific jokes?

The fuck? If anything it would be in poor taste to include "Weinstein jokes." "Weinstein jokes" are part of the problem.

Also, this broke last Thursday. Two days isn't a lot of lead time to come up with funny women-being- raped/abused sketches.

The angle was dumb but LM's "it's a New York thing" was a predictably horrible response

Wtf @ twitter banning McGowan. they really do have shit management. It has to be that flag bot, otherwise I don’t get it - rationale for keeping her on is same as keeping Trump on: more clicks/attention

If it was a flag bot (was she getting more flags than Trump? idk), they ought to have been able to unsuspend her by now.

aside but I've been seeing a lot of people lately posting about being temp-banned from facebook for violating "community standards" for stuff like calling out racism or posting a racist flyer that they received (in order to call it out). We're basically watching AI try to learn what is offensive, and in some cases that AI is people like Mark Zuckerberg.

Probably was a lawsuit threat.

It could have even been her much-quoted tweet about her film being distributed "by my rapist." Especially with Weinstein's legal team.

Yeah that seems possible.

I'm seeing that she tweeted out some phone numbers and then deleted them?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/10/12/twitter_limits_rose_mcgowan_s_account_after_her_allegations_against_weinstein.html

Kate Beckinsale stepped forward today, said Weinstein was a bit inappropriate w/her when she was 17, then years later actually asked her if he'd done anything w/her at that time, bc he basically forgot whether or not he'd tried to assault her i guess?

damn
not surprising at all though

i'm sure most of the people who do this forget that/whether they did it or not. denial etc.
from a personal perspective, i'm pretty sure there aren't a bunch of men out there remembering me, but i sure remember them.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

this is maybe going to sound incredibly dumb, i'm not trying to be #notallmen or #reversepence, but these days i just don't like to hang out with a group of dudes for a night out, or a party that's all men, etc...the energy weirds me out a lot of the time. most of my friends these days all are couples and we hang out as such, but i have other male friends who will just socialize with THA BOYS and i find when i join them that the conversations just go places i'm not comfortable with a lot of the time, or the vibe is just weird, the balance is all off, etc. i don't like the "men's club" feeling. i don't know.

agree

Yeah, I totally feel you. I am generally averse to 'dude hangs', particularly 'white dude hangs'. Speaking as a white dude, no demographic is more likely to creep me out than other white dudes.

same

I think the only time I'm in that situation is at band rehearsal but we aren't all white and we aren't all male so it's only intermittently when there's just a subset of us there. idk it doesn't bother me, there's no assholes in the band lol

Just don't hang out with assholes imo.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

Did you see the cuts Harvey demanded?

"That's locker room."

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

where does the conversation go that makes you uncomfortable? i'll admit to being curious.

I mean, IDK I haven't had that experience so much. I don't hang out with anyone that much these days, but I get together with a group of guys to play music and it's mostly just talk about music, being a dad, work sucks, and maybe football in which case I tune out.

Seems like a thread derail anyway.

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

yeah I think this is the real issue

I really hate the idea of stag weekends

in the future they will figure out a way to lower testosterone in unborn male fetuses. or something like that. i'm an optimist! #scifireader

the company i work for has a large salesforce of mostly men . they come into the office from all over the country for training and meetings and want to go out in the City while they are here . I only went once and never again , the worst part was that most of them are married but when they come here it's like they are on some fucking weied free for all, it's horrible .