brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Think it's only right and proper that Bananaman got the first Peter North LOL in

those very robust folk on the 30's hunger marches were bristling with ingenuity. No poncy "safe spaces" or softy welfare state etc!

James Dyson probs airs the same type of opinions behind closed doors.

See a headline around May accepting ECJ rulings during the transition period so no I don't think a ten year recession to toughen us all up is happening anytime soon.

b-but Twitter tells me Peter J North is the thinking person's Brexiter

love when Leave campaigners come out with "yes it will all be very very bad because we're not doing it my particular way which was always vanishingly unlikely and not agreed on by anyone else and it's actually very difficult for a series of entirely predictable reasons, but it's still definitely not my fault for telling people it would be easy and glorious etc"

North, Dominic Cummings, Oliver Norgrove...

I didn't share the North piece with any faith in the nightmare visions he presents, more as a kind of "this is what the people who actually *support Brexit are saying will happen". He seems like an utter shitwad, obvs.

It's completely psychotic, but probably does accurately reflect the thinking of a majority of brexiters now, right up to cabinet level. Hammond and May are wary because this Katastrophenpolitik will need scapegoats, and they're it. But they're too inept and weak to negotiate anything that would save themselves and avoid the cliff-edge, so they'll probably end up going along with it.

The way the person who I got the link from put it was as evidence of Brexit as some sociopathic death cult. I'm fine with that description of it.

I suspect the proportion of Brexiters who are gleefully embracing the oncoming catastrophe are significantly outweighed by those still anticipating the sunlit uplands of a Britannia unchained but whatever.

I suspect there are enough Tory MPs who are sociopathic enough to believe it, but there's no way that scenario plays out without turbo-charging Remain/Return pressure across the country. The more pragmatic Brexiters surely recognise that's what happens in the event of no deal.

The only way of getting out of that is if they find a way to pin it on the EU/Labour (they will) and make it stick (less likely).

The more pragmatic Brexiters surely recognise that's what happens in the event of no deal

I suspect one's take on this is irretrievably coloured by one's proximity to dyed-in-the-wool Brexit believers and their ability to lecture, fact-free, on the gleeful promise of the post-Brexit era. I've been banging my head against that particular wall with various family members since last June, and they seem as convinced as on that bright, shining independence day. Maybe if I knew some remotely pragmatic Brexiters.

Do they think everything's going to be wonderful or do they think it's going to be a worthwhile disaster because it'll sort out Generation Snowflake?

Mostly the former with a nice little chaser of the latter. Absolute refusal to seriously accept the cost of it to the nation, balanced with a sense that we could all do with toughening up anyway. Classic boomer/pre-boomer bullshit.

It's terrifying, like that 87-year-old guy quoted in the Trump thread who was like, "I'm liking him less but supporting him more"

Liz Truss is asked what preparations the UK Government are taking to prepare for a No-Deal Brexit. The answer is everything you'd expect... pic.twitter.com/Jo1BDHtdPP

— Meanwhile In Scotia (@MeanwhileScotia) October 11, 2017

already knew liz truss is an idiot but this is amusing nonetheless.

Andrew Neil must’ve asked her six times about the premium rate line for UC claimants and she swerved it with the most anvil-headed answers about people being better off in work.

lol! talk about making it easy for the brillo pad.

that was a despairing lol! for the records.

Buckle up buckaroos

@DavidLammy 1h1 hour ago
Labour will vote against a 'no deal Brexit'. No majority for no deal in Parliament. Makes issue of whether Article 50 is reversible crucial

there'll be a deal, May can't afford not to get one

What do you mean, can't afford not to? She's gone either way. Cameron couldn't afford to lose the EU referendum but he did and he's much richer and probably happier now than before.

protect neville southall at all costs

Tories on toast

— Neville Southall (@NevilleSouthall) October 11, 2017

The REAL Neville Southall. Ex-Everton Goalie, most capped Wales player, now teacher, coach, mentor as well as theatre buff, reader and historian.

how...did this happen :D

Haha I love this

woke Nev is the best

This fucking article

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/15/fiercest-of-enemies-best-of-friends-cross-party-pals-parliament-mps

How can anyone who knows any poor people be friends with an MP with this voting record? - https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11603/anne_milton/guildford

Voting Neville Southall next time if possible

it's jess phillips tbf

Well yes

whom jools thinks i like for some reason (i don't)

And Frank Field ffs

loooool the very next one is frank field, these are just going to be blue labour aren't they

lol xp

i wonder if queen caroline of brighton gets on ok with any of the tory backbenchers

i mean, zac goldsmith i guess? maybe they beef though, could go either way

I always link Frank Field with Barry Sheerman. Both the same age and both complete safe seat oxygen thieves. The former recently voiced the opinion that disabled people should work for reduced wages, the latter - the first fucking arsewipe to register as a lobbyist!

haha callllled it

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/green-party-leader-caroline-lucas-praises-zac-goldsmith-for-brilliant-environmental-work-a3390296.html

hmm it's kinda half beef actually. certainly not going to psoe for any nauseating photos together

yeah, was going to say, sounds more like grudging respect on a single issue rather than best buds

Jonathon Bartley: Jonathan spends whatever free time he has gigging with his band, the Mustangs, and was nominated for Blues Drummer of the Year Award in 2010.

He didn't seem like a "bands" type, but I suppose historically a lot of those LSE alumni have been.

what happened to the tory mp that wrote a pre-election jingle, the one who'd had a melody maker coverline in 1984 or thereabouts?

yes i cover the issues that matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Knight ?

He plays the drums and is a founder member of MP4[12]—the world's only parliamentary rock group. The others are fellow MPs Kevin Brennan and Peter Wishart and former MP Ian Cawsey.

brennan = labour, wishart = snp

this lot should have been the only thing in that article

"an increased majority in the general election of 2017" so everyone who mocked his jingle on these boards is told, i guess

I'm surprised he isn't pally with Alan Johnson, and they were featured in that Graun article above about cross party Tories that overcome their enormous ideological differences to hang out together.

bah they shd be called Centrist Dadrock

lol

in the spirit of loathsome camaraderie (very much at arms length), i have it on fairly good authority that this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Baron_(politician) is actually a very good local mp and a decent man, aside from the whole arch-brexiteer thing (his war voting record certainly stands out)

we get a fabulously low budget local TV station called Estuary and altho i mainly watch it for NGW Wrestling i keep seeing a trailer of Johnson on some show voicing his very legitimate concerns about migration.

the racist Tory twat.

xp - yeah, ok, but of course there's this - https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10715/john_baron/basildon_and_billericay/votes#welfare

(Sometimes I wish I had spent a little longer choosing a user name and hadn't just used the name of the track I was listening to at the time)