2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

Your own damn fault for having a credit card.

deej take it easy, hard-charger

i just thanked morbs for a perspective on obama that wasn't omg-want-to-have-his-babies, that's all

I mean, Morbs, that I'll grant your point only to the extent that politics always tempers the rhetoric that gets you in the public eye with the compromises that make cooperative action possible. I just don't see any kind of trust-breaking betrayal in Obama's tactical compromises.

wellstone moved to the center in hopes of a prez run too

oh there is plenty to critique about obama, i think we've all been critical of several things e.g. his debate performances, and I'm sure there's no way his presidency could possibly live up to expectations (lol heres hoping) but mis characterizing him as on par w/ the Clintons in terms of compromising his values is utterly misleading

contenderizer, in Morbiusrhetoric, compromise = betrayal. I don't know how long you've been reading his posts but it's becomes apparent pretty quickly.

hahahaha deej you're basically repeating the greatet ever political chestnut, i.e. "my greatest failing? well.." (candidate appears to think deeply for a moment) "it's probably that i'm too honest"

??? saying that he's given way below par debate performances = "i'm too honest"?

hes a politician and a politician is gonna be a politician but the whole "wahhh why are no politicians honest" morbs game is way misleading, you need to set your expectations within the realm of reality

BREAKING NEWS: ALL POLITICIANS LIE.

Haha deej think about that last thing you just wrote and the likelihood of it happening compared to the likelyhood of the Earth spontaneously turning into a giant Skittle

I had to defend Obama over Christmas dinner against my aunt, who saw the 2004 convention speech and thought Obama was "the second coming" but then grew disappointed when he ran for president and started "pandering" to different interest groups. I was like, "Hi, he's a politician."

Lesson #9 from Robert McNamara: In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil.

Also we can vote on which spelling of "likeliyhood" is more aesthetically-pleasing in my last post.

compromise on vital shit = betrayal.

for ILXpundits, compromise NEVER equals betrayal. Hence Wm J Clinton was in some ways "a great president."

I spent that entire Errol Morris film wanting to kick McN in the face.

lickyhoods

how so Morbius? everyone on ILX is pretty bitter about HRC's compromising

the likelyhood of the Earth spontaneously turning into a giant Skittle

SO NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

"everyone" = "most people" sorry

i think you guys are very charitable and sophisticated regarding the moral triage that must take place on a daily basis for national politicians from illinois who are seeking a higher office and i patiently await your extension of the same courtesy to national politicians from new york

i dont understand why its necessary to hold politicians to a higher standard of integrity than i hold myself

otm!

i will start getting mad about politicians compromising when i bike everywhere and give 30% of my income to the poor

Yes Tracer Hillary and Obama are exactly the same.

Obama never spent the 80s on the streets of Chicago as an organizer and activist, and even if he had it probably never impacted the way he would lead.

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max voted to raise his cred-card rate to 30%?? I don't beeleeve it!

morbs, u a legendary crank! never change xoxo

HRC never spent years as a corporate lawyer, never voted for a war she didnt think would happen, and never pandered on issues like fuckin flag burning for political gain

there's pandering to interest groups and there is PANDERING to interest groups, Hillary's been in capslock mode for a minute

If Hillary and Barack are exactly the same, where is he hiding the tits and where is she hiding the dick?

i patiently await your extension of the same courtesy to national politicians from new york

Has been extended. Numerous times. Feeding hand now has little holey bite marks all over it. Lesson learned.

never pandered on issues like fuckin flag burning for political gain

Actually, this strikes me as a pretty harmless form of pandering - a symbolic vote that will never go anywhere.

If Hillary and Barack are exactly the same, where is he hiding the tits and where is she hiding the dick?

she's not really hiding it LOLOOOLOL

there's pandering to interest groups and there is PANDERING to interest groups, Hillary's been in capslock mode for a minute

True. For the record, my aunt was an Edwards fan. Not sure where she stands now.

If Hillary and Barack are exactly the same, where is he hiding the tits and where is she hiding the dick?

POLL

(Personally I think HRC and BO are close enough to each other that many of the objections raised to either are manifestations of subconscious racial/gender biases.)

yeah and i think you're nuts Dan

close enough except for IRAQ

lol now im on Morbs side

im voting for barack mostly b/c he went to my college

xp: and number of tenured DLC scum on their Blackberrys

I think you're nuts if you believe you can divorce the "black vs white"/"man vs woman" issues from this contest.

Everything I say or do manifests my many racial and gender biaseees. It's sort of my trademark.

i didnt say that, i think its so reductionist that it is RONG to singularly credit preference in a candidate along those lines though xp

I think the fact is that both Obama and Clinton are laying out nearly identical policy platforms for what they hope to accomplish in office, and that either one will have to compromise significantly to get even a fraction of what they want to accomplish done. The question is, who will be able to strike the best compromise possible and make it happen? I tend to think Clinton has demonstrated more of the skills necessary to shepherd these things through a legislature, but Obama may have better ability to use the bully pulpit to get public opinion on his side. So which factor would be more significant?

there are lots of factors both conscious and subconscious impacting this thing, and certain elements weigh in more than for others. If I've been a supporter of Barack since before he even won the Dem primary in the run for Senate how does that long term 'affiliation' weigh against my supposed hatred against women?

Deej maybe you should learn to read before you participate in these threads?

many of the objections

yeah sorry missed this

misread rather

hahaha I wondered