Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

I do welcome all of the recent exit-checkers to the hate-crime fueled cloud of paranoia I've lived with my entire life as I now feel less lonely.

ilx commune in venezuela gets daily closer

who'll be doing the plumbing, that's all i wanna know

Ur mouth

tailpipe man

how do these people do with the same argument about opioids

isn't their argument about opioids "let em die"?

That is a common one, yes.

so no one knows of any other wealthy mass killers like Paddock, i suppose

Are you setting one of us up for a Bush/Cheney/Clinton/Obama layup?

i don't even know what that means

Guys, help, what is baseball equivalent of "layup?"

Anyhoo, 'twas a joke.

can of corn

"can of corn"?

nice

I know what a layup is.

I just meant our presidents obv know how to mass-murder with style.

(for more, see Perrin twitter)

Not on your life.

I see there's been some inter-left debate on twitter about american gun laws but I think just about everyone of sense can at least agree on an assault weapons ban. I think that would be a good place to start.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its elegantly put together here:

Being non-white and non-conservative/far-right AND unenthusiastic about American gun control isn't actually all that weird.

— Zoé (@ztsamudzi) September 10, 2017

I am pretty anti-gun in a perfect world but in the actual world we live in, I have been seriously contemplating getting one since November of last year, precisely because of the reasons outlined in that Twitter thread.

you have children, don't do it

stop fucking saying this to me

Well this isn't a surprise:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html

This weird binary between "ban all guns" and "do nothing" is what's so infuriating about this. I think people should be allowed to own guns, but also be mandated to take classes, do safety checks, and purchase some sort of liability insurance. You know, like you have to when you want to drive a car. And no dumb honking automatic rifles.

I'm all for an AW ban, but I also know that you have to let everybody who has one keep it. (So if you see one, you have no way of knowing whether it's pre- or post-ban). Else you go house-to-house collecting them (not gonna happen in red USofA). There are already enough to kill every one of your children a dozen times over.

Buyback programs work

assault weapons ban w/buyback program, no gun show loopholes, onerous paperwork for everything else --> would almost certainly lower the number of spree shootings as well as accidental deaths.

it wouldn't be as effective of a blanket ban, or 2A repeal, or w/e, but i think it would be possible practically and politically to enact "sensible" gun legislation that would actually save lives and not just be superficial

12-month trade-in for muskets, after that any person publicly seen with a gun is captured and released into a wild game preserve where the only prey is the deadliest kind... other hunters previously released.

I like it

"This is the true story of seven strangers picked to live in a housegame preserve and have their lives taped. Find out what happens when people stop being polite and start getting real."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.076e32a853a5

compare and contrast that nimrod with

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/he-helped-people-escape-from-the-storm-of-gunfire-in-las-vegas-now-he-has-a-bullet-in-his-neck/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news&utm_term=.c8cdebfc602f

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/two-strangers-bond-over-country-music-and-beer-then-the-shots-started/2017/10/03/d5d4541a-a846-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6cac1f4d998b

An Assault Weapons Ban along the lines of what we've had before would be pointless (a decade of panic buying has made them one of the most common types of gun in the country and there's now an entire industry dedicated to getting around it) - what someone with a ton of money should be doing is pushing a lobbying group that aims to add any semi-automatic rifle .22LR or above - to the National Firearms Act registry list (alongside automatic weapons, short barreled rifles and shotguns). There's precedent for requiring existing weapons to be listed, tracked and adding more onerous conditions for their transfer. Doing so would be perfectly fine with the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

(tldr of the NFA - $200 tax stamp and ~8 months of waiting on ATF approval for the transfer of a gun)

I still don't see that happening in my lifetime and there are serious questions about the extent that it would do any good given the sheer number of guns in existence - but it means that anyone you see with an AR-15 has to be carrying his ATF paperwork and tax stamp at all times (as someone with a short barreled rifle does now).

XXP agh I wish I didn't know that guy existed
thanks internet

there are serious questions about the extent that it would do any good given the sheer number of guns in existence

this is a majority belief of many GOP voters, and is subsequently used as the rationale for opposing any and all gun control legislation. just pointing that out for the record.

At the same time, I recognize that it is indisputable that the massive amount of guns already owned in this country make it impossible to achieve the kinds of results Australia did, or to fully abolish or outlaw any particular make of gun.

Given this kind of no-win situation I think supporting any and all gun control legislation makes sense from a strategic point of view - some approaches may be effective, some may be ineffective, but passing as much as possible increases the odds that some minimal gains will be made *AND* also (perhaps more importantly in the long view) would serve as the basis for further action in the courts to re-evaluate the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment, put the NRA/gun lobby on the defensive, etc.

I'm kinda done with the FB arguments. they all seem to devolve into "how's your socialist utopia Venezuela working out for you?" and "oh you can't have guns in Germany and it's basically a fascist state"

Why do all of these types consistently ignore what happened in Australia. We had a massacre you'd all remember (Port Arthur shootings) and our PM did a wide ranging gun ban/amnesty and WE HAVE HAD NO MASS SHOOTINGS EVER SINCE.

(yes, we've had shootings, and homicides and suicides but nothing will stop those in any country)

sorry but this kind of leftist bullshit will never fly here

https://frinkiac.com/video/S04E21/-fpLwli87-tB5YP1E0i8tM_F9Ds=.gif

xp. britain similarly has had 1 shooting massacre since the change in legislation that came about after the dunblane massacre in 1996.

so many guns in u.s. that gun control wouldn't be quite as effective I'm sure, but when less effective still = saying a ton of lives any argument to the contrary is craven and horrific.

so you've met our political leadership then

“My greatest fear is that someone will break in & I won’t be able to decide what #gun to shoot them with,”

guilty lols, mostly for the use of hashtag

imo that asshole was clearly "going to get a gun" to bide his time til the shooting stopped.

lol Trayce i dont think Australia’s example gets ignored at all - I’ve seen it cited in my feed like 20 times from 20 different people (non Aussies) in the past 2 days

(xposts)

when I was at the Hollywood Bowl several weeks ago the thought crossed my mind several times about someone coming in and shooting the place up. either into the crowd while the show went on or into the crowd as they exited. it crosses my mind at every show now. sometimes even before a movie. and at sporting events. and sometimes at school. i wait with our kid in the schoolyard til he goes to class (where the doors are locked now.)

in other countries, I don't shrug that this will inevitably happen again, and i don't cross my fingers that someone i love will get caught up in it. but at the same time i've been close enough to gun violence or near-violence (where guns were flashed) to feel not secure in my safety.

Given this kind of no-win situation I think supporting any and all gun control legislation makes sense from a strategic point of view - some approaches may be effective, some may be ineffective, but passing as much as possible increases the odds that some minimal gains will be made *AND* also (perhaps more importantly in the long view) would serve as the basis for further action in the courts to re-evaluate the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment, put the NRA/gun lobby on the defensive, etc.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 3, 2017 5:39 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

generally agree w this these days -- keep pushing, hope for some gains and down the road a cultural reappraisal

If Trump really wants to piss off the Republican "swamp" he should support an assault weapons ban. 500 fucking people were shot. I have a feeling Republican voters would come around if some of the people they trusted started pushing something other than the NRA line.

500 people were not shot.

Bannon has already said that any gun control whatsoever is a dead letter to his 'nationalist' base

Sorry. 500 injured. I didn't see how many were gunshot victims.