Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

Family/friends from like high school/workmates. I dunno. I don't interact with those people but then I have a very low tolerance for people who opt for frothing over reasoned and respectful argument/disagreement.

a lot of my family are like this, which is why i don't speak to any of them and have removed most of them from fb.

I see there's been some inter-left debate on twitter about american gun laws but I think just about everyone of sense can at least agree on an assault weapons ban. I think that would be a good place to start.

teh way this shit rewires your brain is just crazy too.

I went to a show at a local seedy metal club in Winter Park, that was clearly oversold (Fire depts woulda shut the shit down). and in addition to Great White spinning in my head, I kept thinking to myself "where are the exits if a shooter comes in" and trying to identify them. I do this all the time.

we were onstage in Scotland when the Bataclan thing happened. Usually my soundman stays out in the house after the show but we came off to find him in the dressing room glued to the laptop - he'd been offered the gig running sound on that tour, but hadn't been able to take it. Three days later we played our continental shows, after a fair bit of debate about what to do; there were soldiers with machine guns strolling the venues, the night after we played Belgium they locked the whole town down, if we'd've left our hotel an hour later we wouldn't have been able to make our next gig.

At the Belgian show, mid-song, somebody entered the hall from the right side of the room and walked pretty fast to the other side. It registered with me & my bassist, we looked at each other: is something up? The soldier were there in the crowd the whole time, you couldn't miss them.

It's true that it's good practices to know: where will I run if something happens, how will I protect myself, am I in touch with my priorities? but it fucking sucks dick to have to be thinking, in places where people gather to share the experience of music: ok, all this great communal energy aside, how will I keep from dying if shit goes south? And it makes you think, wow, we as a species have made a pretty poor show of things, looking at it from several different angles.

fuck - sorry about that - my first post got the "blank screen" thing and I c/p'd too much. if anybody wants to edit plz do

lol. where do you want it chopped?

Is this the first case of a multimillionaire perpetrating a mass shooting?

I thought you were trying to make a statement about how nothing has changed in 10 years and that history repeats itself.

Profound

lol. where do you want it chopped?

right where I was quoting Neanderthal - after "add a post" - everything prior to that is what was on my screen when I c&p'd lol thx

ty anonymous mod!!

A trip down mass murder memory lane

I'm kinda done with the FB arguments. they all seem to devolve into "how's your socialist utopia Venezuela working out for you?" and "oh you can't have guns in Germany and it's basically a fascist state"...this is stupid.

god I love it when people whip out venezuela

I'm hearing the "its a waste of breath trying to change gun control laws, the country is awash with guns on the black market" argument a lot on FB

I do welcome all of the recent exit-checkers to the hate-crime fueled cloud of paranoia I've lived with my entire life as I now feel less lonely.

ilx commune in venezuela gets daily closer

who'll be doing the plumbing, that's all i wanna know

Ur mouth

tailpipe man

how do these people do with the same argument about opioids

isn't their argument about opioids "let em die"?

That is a common one, yes.

so no one knows of any other wealthy mass killers like Paddock, i suppose

Are you setting one of us up for a Bush/Cheney/Clinton/Obama layup?

i don't even know what that means

Guys, help, what is baseball equivalent of "layup?"

Anyhoo, 'twas a joke.

can of corn

"can of corn"?

nice

I know what a layup is.

I just meant our presidents obv know how to mass-murder with style.

(for more, see Perrin twitter)

Not on your life.

I see there's been some inter-left debate on twitter about american gun laws but I think just about everyone of sense can at least agree on an assault weapons ban. I think that would be a good place to start.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its elegantly put together here:

Being non-white and non-conservative/far-right AND unenthusiastic about American gun control isn't actually all that weird.

— Zoé (@ztsamudzi) September 10, 2017

I am pretty anti-gun in a perfect world but in the actual world we live in, I have been seriously contemplating getting one since November of last year, precisely because of the reasons outlined in that Twitter thread.

you have children, don't do it

stop fucking saying this to me

Well this isn't a surprise:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html

This weird binary between "ban all guns" and "do nothing" is what's so infuriating about this. I think people should be allowed to own guns, but also be mandated to take classes, do safety checks, and purchase some sort of liability insurance. You know, like you have to when you want to drive a car. And no dumb honking automatic rifles.

I'm all for an AW ban, but I also know that you have to let everybody who has one keep it. (So if you see one, you have no way of knowing whether it's pre- or post-ban). Else you go house-to-house collecting them (not gonna happen in red USofA). There are already enough to kill every one of your children a dozen times over.

Buyback programs work

assault weapons ban w/buyback program, no gun show loopholes, onerous paperwork for everything else --> would almost certainly lower the number of spree shootings as well as accidental deaths.

it wouldn't be as effective of a blanket ban, or 2A repeal, or w/e, but i think it would be possible practically and politically to enact "sensible" gun legislation that would actually save lives and not just be superficial

12-month trade-in for muskets, after that any person publicly seen with a gun is captured and released into a wild game preserve where the only prey is the deadliest kind... other hunters previously released.

I like it

"This is the true story of seven strangers picked to live in a housegame preserve and have their lives taped. Find out what happens when people stop being polite and start getting real."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na&utm_term=.076e32a853a5

compare and contrast that nimrod with

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/he-helped-people-escape-from-the-storm-of-gunfire-in-las-vegas-now-he-has-a-bullet-in-his-neck/?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news&utm_term=.c8cdebfc602f

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/two-strangers-bond-over-country-music-and-beer-then-the-shots-started/2017/10/03/d5d4541a-a846-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6cac1f4d998b

An Assault Weapons Ban along the lines of what we've had before would be pointless (a decade of panic buying has made them one of the most common types of gun in the country and there's now an entire industry dedicated to getting around it) - what someone with a ton of money should be doing is pushing a lobbying group that aims to add any semi-automatic rifle .22LR or above - to the National Firearms Act registry list (alongside automatic weapons, short barreled rifles and shotguns). There's precedent for requiring existing weapons to be listed, tracked and adding more onerous conditions for their transfer. Doing so would be perfectly fine with the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

(tldr of the NFA - $200 tax stamp and ~8 months of waiting on ATF approval for the transfer of a gun)

I still don't see that happening in my lifetime and there are serious questions about the extent that it would do any good given the sheer number of guns in existence - but it means that anyone you see with an AR-15 has to be carrying his ATF paperwork and tax stamp at all times (as someone with a short barreled rifle does now).

XXP agh I wish I didn't know that guy existed
thanks internet

there are serious questions about the extent that it would do any good given the sheer number of guns in existence

this is a majority belief of many GOP voters, and is subsequently used as the rationale for opposing any and all gun control legislation. just pointing that out for the record.

At the same time, I recognize that it is indisputable that the massive amount of guns already owned in this country make it impossible to achieve the kinds of results Australia did, or to fully abolish or outlaw any particular make of gun.

Given this kind of no-win situation I think supporting any and all gun control legislation makes sense from a strategic point of view - some approaches may be effective, some may be ineffective, but passing as much as possible increases the odds that some minimal gains will be made *AND* also (perhaps more importantly in the long view) would serve as the basis for further action in the courts to re-evaluate the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment, put the NRA/gun lobby on the defensive, etc.