Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

Every national Democratic figure, male or female, has been constantly slandered by the right-wing media machine since Jimmy Carter Truman died. Yalta.

if you vote for the Iraq War and Patriot Act you deserve no fucking sympathy and in fact the opposite

yeah it's fair game then for people to call you a cunt and a murderess and whatnot. you'd fit right in at a Trump rally, Adam.

hillary is bad. the people who use sexist language or stupid conspiratorial bullshit to attack her are also bad. this is not hard.

Apparently it is!

I've a friend whose own friends are such sycophants that they wondered why Chris Hayes wasn't "bowing and scraping with gratitude that she set foot in the studio."

the "right-wing media machine" didn't exist so much in the truman/yalta days, did it?

well, now that we know who the bad people are, we can all breathe a bit easier.

lock her up! uranium 1 - trump 2! clinton foundation!!

For once in my life even I feel defensive of Hillary Clinton right now, this is ridiculous.

benghazi! steele dossier! podesta!

it's sad that she's definitely going to jail now

the GOP freaking out about Hillary Clinton is like the L.A. Dodgers right now complaining about some bad umpiring in their NLCS win over the Cubs.

trump could end up in jail and his followers will blame it on the deep state and scream about benghazi some more. it's a really unsatisfying state of affairs because these people are too insane to acknowledge any setback or defeat for the trump administration. can't feel schadenfreude against someone too warped to realize things are fucked for them

I hope someone has posted a link to this at some point in the lifetime of this thread:

Watch til the end pic.twitter.com/vb6NzcKjBw

— jordan yule log ⛄️ (@JordanUhl) December 4, 2017

Jesus Mary and Joseph!

do we know yet (her emails?) why the clintons' house in chappaquidick was on fire yesterday (the day before 'fire and fury' was published and tina johnson's house was set on fire)?

she had printed out all the missing emails from the email server and the burning of them got out of hand i presume?

the day comrade combover's DOJ re-re-re-re-opened GOP investigation of her?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/justice-department-looking-into-hillary-clintons-emails-again

do we know yet (her emails?) why the clintons' house in chappaquidick was on fire yesterday (the day before 'fire and fury' was published and tina johnson's house was set on fire)?

― reggie (qualmsley)

the spirit cooking got out of hand

xps chappaqua, not chappaquidick lol

Maybe the Chappaquiddick bridge was the third way ; )

Dud

NYT: Hillary Clinton Chose to Shield a Top Adviser Accused of Harassment in 2008 via @NYTimes https://t.co/k6lPC3Ffvg

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 26, 2018

Yep, they made him go to counseling then fired him when he did it again. What sucks is that you just know that there’s no way she’ll end up being arrested for this.

I know right, sucks

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"Did somebody say . . ."

there’s no way she’ll end up being arrested

so you're saying... lock her up?

Yep, they made him go to counseling then fired him when he did it again. What sucks is that you just know that there’s no way she’ll end up being arrested for this.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, January 26, 2018 12:47 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus christ.

they moved the victim and gave him a slap on the wrist. it's utter bullshit and defending it is unconscionable

it also shows a pattern of behaviour of shielding predators

she's been doing it since 1975. amazing that Kathy Shelton hasn't been mentioned yet.

Yep, they made him go to counseling then fired him when he did it again. What sucks is that you just know that there’s no way she’ll end up being arrested for this.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, January 26, 2018 12:47 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

according to the NYT, they made him go to counseling, made the victim take a different job, and then *rehired* the guy five years later. i'm as sick of "hillary is the real villain" stuff as anyone but this is genuinely bad, and it's shitty to try to excuse it.

Seems horrible and self-serving and short sighted—what else is new?—but why would she be “arrested?”

Xpost No that’s fair. I was too reflexive. I’m sorry about that. He definitely should have been fired immediately.

Oh wait you were being sarcastic.

Yeah people tend to want her arrested for things one isn’t usually arrested for.

I’ve noticed.

Hillary is a tragic figure. Extremely ambitious, but when the culture changed it turned out she had made all the wrong compromises. And so she lost in the most traumatic way possible, to a vaudeville demon. I feel a little angry with her for letting the democrats down but I also think, like.... damn. That’s a rough life.

A rough life made slightly more bearable by endless wealth, prestige, influence around the world, and adoring people wherever she goes (as long as it’s a city)

Maybe. She seems to despise and distrust the public. You can tell how guarded she is. I’d never trade places with her.

I’m too quick to extend sympathy to people who seem to be having a rough time in the public eye though, this is well documented.

“As long as it’s a city” might be viewing things a little too stereotypically.

Hillary is a tragic figure.

She's really not.

xpost
haha, no, i know what you mean. it is tragic in a certain sense. just a different sense than the tragedy of orphans, or an honest hardworking person who dies in destitution, alone, screwed by the mr. potter who isn't named harry. but i admire your empathy, and i know rich powerful people are capable of suffering too.

Only wealthy urbanites voted for Hillary.

yeah, i mean i get your point and i've noticed that in a country of 300 million people, not everyone in a rural area hates hillary cilnton, and not everyone in the city loves her.

treeship took the words outta my mouth:

Hillary is a tragic figure. Extremely ambitious, but when the culture changed it turned out she had made all the wrong compromises. And so she lost in the most traumatic way possible, to a vaudeville demon. I feel a little angry with her for letting the democrats down but I also think, like.... damn. That’s a rough life.

y'all are so dense of course hillary is a tragic figure, shakespeare wrote tragedies about rich people jesus

treeship took the words outta my mouth:

He said it more eloquently than I would have, though.

If you want to go there: Shakespeare chose a hell of a lot more interesting *personalities* though. People who actually had everything riding on something and then - and mostly way more due to their own doing, which is kind of essential to be tragic - lost it all. What happened might qualify as tragic, career-wise. But she's nowhere near a tragic being in every fiber though, who now dwells in the underworld.

Hillary didn't lose it all. She's fine. Shame she lost to a dumbass, but hey... No-one (including said dumbass) thought that was going to happen. I get the sentiment but: seek better, truer tragic figures. Loads of them out there, trust me.

xp -the ancient world considered that real tragedy required the protagonist be highly placed, successful, powerful, or heroic, so that when their tragic flaw emerged to cause their downfall it evoked more awe and pity than the onlookers would feel if a tailor or fruit seller were felled in their prime. HRC is only semi-tragic, in that she publically suffered a humiliating loss, but she only fell partway from grace and still retains much wealth, position and influence.

He said it more eloquently than I would have, though.

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, January 26, 2018 7:49 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me... too