Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

Shakey don't you have a white supremacist's 1st amendment rights to protect somewhere. Off you go. xp

there it is

Is your endgame here to gather woke points off of the most facile, simpleminded criticism?

Your contribution is a bullshit attack - did you expect a hug? xp

you are a worse clown on US politics threads than Frederik, who at least makes an earnest attempt at understanding US political systems, norms and history

xps

There's a mention in one of the excerpts of that gaggle of goons being "talented" and honestly I don't see it. Literally the only upside of the campaign was watching the meager "best" the Republican establishment had to offer get absolutely demolished by a complete moron. (Though I would argue that even as little as a year ago, Trump seemed to be a *little* sharper/more present than he is now.)

but that is baked into our half-assed experiment, as it were

By the elites!

As was slavery. What has been baked in can be baked out.

NB: Slavery is worse than undemocratic election mechanisms.

Juli0zzzzz being rong is all worth it for getting to watch DJP destroy imho

There is no endgame, as such. Treeship was making a few points that I felt weren't right and I was putting across a few other things in return.

Trump crushed other Repubs because the only political underpinning of most Americans is "all politicians are awful milquetoast double-talkers who are afraid to say THE TRUTH out of fear of offending anyone"

the thing about that is it's largely correct

Yeah most Americans also believe in gravity and that you eat food with your mouth

Being President isn't a job that you are qualified for, as such. That's why the clown has a shot, and in this case has got the job.

There's a mention in one of the excerpts of that gaggle of goons being "talented" and honestly I don't see it. Literally the only upside of the campaign was watching the meager "best" the Republican establishment had to offer get absolutely demolished by a complete moron. (Though I would argue that even as little as a year ago, Trump seemed to be a *little* sharper/more present than he is now.)

I'm not even thinking about the book at this point; I actually forgot what thread I was on and what everyone was arguing/talking about.

I agree that the only person in that entire group who seemed even halfway ready for the presidency was Kasich, whom I hated, but my point was more that it seems the Republican establishment, who didn't want Trump either, is getting a gigantic pass here when people lay the blame for Trump's presidency at Clinton's feet. He tore through a large number of people to get there AND was actively chosen by a significant section of the electorate, which tells you a) there was a perfect storm quality to this that felt like it should have been stoppable at any moment but no one was able to pull the trigger; Clinton was the final domino but not the only one and heaping all of the scorn on her is wrong; b) half of the active American electorate who were able to get to the polls think an unqualified racist, sexist moron would make a better President than a mouthy professional who has, at worst, been competent in every high-profile job she has attained.

Yeah most Americans also believe in gravity and that you eat food with your mouth

gravity is just a socialist plot to keep white working class Americans down iirc

xp

I would so rather have seen Trump vs. Bernie debates just for the expressions and overall haranguing

yeah it just sucks that when the temper-tantrum response to "the establishment" finally reached a boiling point, the person who reaped the rewards wasn't, say, Ross Perot but instead this...thing we call Trump (not like Perot was great or anything, but in comparison to DT...)

who has, at worst, been competent in every high-profile job she has attained.

Yemen and Haiti would like a word

You can do that trick with literally every Secretary of State since WW2. You can almost do it by spinning a globe with your eyes closed.

iow "sticking it to the establishment" superceded all other considerations. Satan for Prez cause hey at least he's not a typical politician. Temper tantrum voting.

You can do that trick with literally every Secretary of State since WW2

Cool, still sucks shit.

Hilary might be competent, but was there any kind of vision? She seemed to offer few things to vote for.

Besides not being Donald Trump.

i think unfortunately w/most elections since TV came about is the one who comes off as more of a stiff, no matter how qualified, is never going to come out on top against the more charismatic candidate. even if the candidate is a racist, really dumb, incurious, unstable, foggy-brained moron. in this case though i think the latter qualities were, as mentioned before, positives for lots of horrible people.

how are you jokers still doing this

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

trolled by a Britishes

xp

Its a quiet Friday night in blighty.

I was responding to Treeship's "it's such a shame that Republicans weaponized economic anger against minorities" nonsense initially, then xyzzzzz pulled a Miley Cyrus and came in like a wrecking ball

Seriously I don't mean to troll and I agree with most of DJP's points to all my simpleminded criticism. I was just responding to a couple of things treeship said don't shoot me down blah.

xps = wrecking ball? sheesh sorry ok maybe because its been on my twitter all week. Coverage of this book has been high here.

'competent' at being an imperial steward doesn't get ppl jogging to the polls

nor does blatantly copying your intraparty rival's talking points about inequality w/ audible roteness

none of this excuses the stupidity of people believing Yam's hucksterism, but once in awhile raw bullshit carries the day

ISILderp's Bane is resisting sexism, racism, and classism in tandem, not separately

shit I left my qualmsley decoder ring at home

classism :)

taken, taken so easily. to pass into class reality. transformer transferring energy :)

did you mean to write vlad the trumpaler

Yemen and Haiti would like a word

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 15. september 2017 21:26 (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You can do that trick with literally every Secretary of State since WW2. You can almost do it by spinning a globe with your eyes closed.

― El Tomboto, 15. september 2017 21:28 (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In this case I think Simon did. Yemen civil war began in 2015.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/22/saudi-christmas-present/

i think unfortunately w/most elections since TV came about is the one who comes off as more of a stiff, no matter how qualified, is never going to come out on top against the more charismatic candidate. even if the candidate is a racist, really dumb, incurious, unstable, foggy-brained moron. in this case though i think the latter qualities were, as mentioned before, positives for lots of horrible people.

― nomar, Friday, September 15, 2017 3:33 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm still kicking myself for not remembering this back in November, it's practically iron-clad at this point.

x-post: Dear God, you actually think that way.

That states' actors should be held accountable for where they send arms and what they're used for?

selling weapons to allies is unacceptable

stellar analysis of the underlying issues there

The US spent 2011 getting the Saudi supported Ali Abdullah Saleh to resign following his violent response to the Arab Spring. It was, well, fairly competent. You think Saudi Arabia wouldn't have had weapons to kill Yemenites if it hadn't been for Clinton? They've been allies for decades.

going after Hillary Clinton about her Sec State tenure is pretty much 100% unadulterated sexism and/or personality-based bullshit. Even a cursory look at the other people who've held that position and how they've been assessed / "held accountable" makes that clear.

is that a better analysis of the "underlying issues" actually at work here, buddy?

the underlying issue is that it's largely irrelevant who the Sec of State was - the US sells arms to the Saudis, regardless of who holds the office

Simon, come on, we all know you don't have a clue what the underlying issues are.

going after Hillary Clinton about her Sec State tenure is pretty much 100% unadulterated sexism and/or personality-based bullshit. Even a cursory look at the other people who've held that position and how they've been assessed / "held accountable" makes that clear.

― El Tomboto, Friday, September 15, 2017 4:24 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is that a better analysis of the "underlying issues" actually at work here, buddy?

― El Tomboto, Friday, September 15, 2017 4:25 PM (thirty-nine seconds ago)

this is utter nonsense. go write for buzzfeed or something