I know right? I mean WHO PAINTS OVER A MURAL WITH ANOTHER MURAL. What the shit.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 15 September 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
mural gate reminding me that theres a mural of stormzy in dublin for no reason
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/an-amazing-stormzy-mural-has-popped-up-in-dublin-and-the-rapper-is-delighted-35576589.html
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 September 2017 00:20 (six years ago) link
i hardly know her
― 龜, Friday, 15 September 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
The audience at my screening was laughing at the end. I think they were expecting a horror movie, not a trippy creation myth with a couple of jump scares. I heard a lot of muttering coming out.
I had an okay time. I kind of wish it had gone more extreme. There are a few gross and brutal moments, but I never felt really uncomfortable. Kind of how I remember Black Swan being. I was mainly impressed at the crowded kaleidoscopic sequences where it felt like every cut was adding something new.
― jmm, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
I liked Noah.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
jmm your experience was very close to mine. I liked the movie and admired its moxie but didn't love it
otoh having seen it, I find this take bizarre
Let's not pander to Aronofsky with the 'But what does it all mean?!' articles. I've got an interpretation: Aronofsky is a vile misogynist— Another Gaze (@anothergaze) September 16, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
choice quote from audience member on the way out: "I was expecting a normal movie, not...that"
also, this has joined the CinemaScore "F" club along with Solaris, the Box and a few others. They'd make a good poll, actually.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
at a minimum, from the AO Scott review it seems like this will actively upset a large number of 'plexgoers, plus a nutty Polanski rip can't be all bad.
(I think I know too much already tho)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
oh also that excellent CinemaScore result
ordinary fuckin' people, I hate em
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
it's incredible to me that William Friedkin's Bug is also on that very short list cause I thought of it a couple of times during my screening
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
I don't expect to ever see it so I spoiled myself on the plot/ending. In terms of that aspect alone and realizing film is not text: sounds pretty fucking boring.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
also, this has joined the CinemaScore "F" club along with Solaris, the Box and a few others
aw man i love both of those movies
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
It is many things but "boring" is not in contention. xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Whatever floats yer boat.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
read the spoilers and this sounds like the Hugh Jackman one with the floating crystal and monkeys
― 龜, Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
It weds the gonzo intensity of Black Swan with the grandiosity of The Fountain and (some of) the wanton cruelty of Requiem for a Dream.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
― 龜, Saturday, September 16, 2017 5:01 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I hated The Fountain but this was good. Definitely more Black Swan than that one. Feverish, intense and anxiety-inducing.
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Especially if you hate crowds
― The Marmadook (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
This, more so than the 60-80% on RT bar mentioned upthread, is what truly gets my interest piqued.
― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Visually, sonically, & psychologically, this movie was very compelling. The claustrophobia of the house, the constant closeups on Jennifer Lawrence, the nightmarish feeling of being unable to communicate with those around you & losing control of your environment... the lighting & Gothic atmosphere of the house & all its dust & debris & unfinished mess, all great... otherwise I thought it was pretty fucking daft and thematically shallow. Another movie about creativity and how hard it is to be an artist? Hard pass. So arrogant & uninteresting, & what's frustrating is there are sub-themes & tangents in here - fan/artist relationship; artist as deity & the one-way adulation & love between fan & artist - that are far more interesting than dwelling on how hard it must be to be someone's muse. A CRYSTAL? You must be fucking kidding me. And fwiw I found the violence & verbal abuse to be way over the top, gratuitous, obvious, & misogynist. He's a good technical director, but he should not write his own scripts.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
A lot of the criticisms are the opposite of how I felt about it. I thought it was deeply feminist and Christian
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
Another movie about creativity and how hard it is to be an artist? Hard pass.
If anything, I thought this movie took artists to task! But then I've already seen a host of interpretations I disagree completely with.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
It felt very much like "woe is me, i ruin relationships and hurt people because i must CREATE!"
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
Except that She had a very near-complete monopoly on the perspective of the movie (nearly half the movie is literally first-person!) as well as our empathy.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
*Mother, not She lol
"Mother" is not a person. This movie had the emotional depth & subtlety of a political cartoon. Aronofsky goes to extreme lengths and constructs this visually stunning allegory only to convey profoundly dull observations about creativity.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
Interestingly, I agree with most of what Rex Reed says here, even though I really like this movie!
http://observer.com/2017/09/darren-aronofsky-mother-worst-movie-of-the-year/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
Polanski's Tree of Life
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
Reed's review makes it sound like it's a disaster, albeit an absolutely must-see one.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
hahaha holy shit @ that Reed review
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
the funniest thing to me is that I left the film convinced that Mother represented God (or more literally "mother nature") - tending to all aspects of the home/world, far beyond any "homemaker" cliche - while Bardem represented humanity, with art standing in for human endeavor generally, but now I've seen at least one person suggest it's the reverse
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
This was terrible and boring for an hour, after which it turned terrible and interesting. The violence turned my stomach. I don't get liking movies that produce anxiety.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
I loved Michelle Pfeiffer though -- she looked great and was commandingly brittle.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
Lol @"We don't smoke in this house.""That's smart."
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:32 (six years ago) link
I didn't find it that bad aside from maybe the worst five seconds of the mob sequence, though I did just see Caniba a few days ago so my threshold is pretty high at the moment
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
also "Do you have any painkillers?"
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
I agree than Pheiffer was really good and brought some badly needed levity
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
Aronofsky gives the impression that he's never read a long book in his life.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
I do if it's justified. Same goes for violence like that. Nicolas Roeg's Bad Timing is a great example of that. This was just so intellectually barren & literal. "The Poet" give me a break
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
Nope. The violence offended me insofar as it was at the service of banal points about an artist's self-absorption. Conveying dread isn't a skill if what you're dreading is stupid. I was in knots waiting for the next act of egregious violence -- that's not skill
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
I agree with you, Alfred. I said as much.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
I know. I did appreciate Aronofsky's playing with The Exterminating Angel tropes.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link
yeah! I was thinking about that, too. the house was very cool & imposing
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link
Same goes for Justine by Marquis de Sade, which mother! reminded me of. Doesn't make it a feminist text at all. Just relentless abuse in the service of... what?
― flappy bird, Sunday, 17 September 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
hey Whiney's the one arguing it's feminist, I'm just not convinced it's misogynist
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 17 September 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
Rex Reed's review is the funniest but this is the most convincing I've seen
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/wjx8zb/mother-tries-very-hard-to-be-more-than-a-disturbing-abusive-movie
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:27 (six years ago) link
This type of stuff is getting ridiculous post-LaLaLand
"viewers start to question what more Aronofsky is trying to say here, except, "That's bad.""
Like, it's perfectly OK to have a shallow reading of a movie, but stuff like this assumes the director had a shallow vision
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link
hated this but I had just yacked from nausea due to a hangover an hour beforehand so idk that I was in the greatest place to receive this
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:51 (six years ago) link
The fuck would you ever go see Aronofsky with a hangover to start with! And I say that as someone who likes much of his work.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
yeah that sounds like a nightmare
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:58 (six years ago) link