Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Just reread dan clowes Like a Velvet Glive Cast in Iron for the first time in years and it felt very Lynch, by way of Coen bros maybe.

As far as synced episodes go, here's what producer Sabrina Sutherland had to say in her reddit AMA the other day

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WmLwbURWMNy6OmzV2

Well that image didn't work so I'll just copy and paste:

TeapotJeffries 14 points 17 hours ago
Hey Sabrina! Thank you so much for helping to bring forth some of the most amazing TV ever!
Have you heard of the sync theory, where people have been watching multiple episodes simultaneously? Are we as crazy as we think we probably are.... or....

SabrinaSOfficial 66 points 15 hours ago
I have only just heard of this. I know the show was never intended to be screened like this. I don't know what to think!

well that should definitely put an end to that theory forever

That's walking it back slightly from her response the first time she was asked which was basically "lol what, no"

xp oh, I am sure it will (lol)

Her response when someone asked about Donna was "Donna didn't work out this season, unfortunately."

i skimmed a sync of 17/18, even if it's a coincidence (really hard to believe when you see it), the ending is just incredible. echoing Karl upthread, it's so beautiful & uplifting - suggests Judy has been defeated

what if you watch the finale with your eyes closed, I bet that changes the ending entirely too

If you watch the series backwards it ends with a cryptic scene between Cooper and The Fireman

see, I tried that, but it just turned into an episode of Ray Donovan

A discussion of a David Lynch project is maybe the last place I would've expected to see such hardline arguments for the primacy of authorial intent but whatever floats y'all's boats, I guess.

I don't care what Lynch's intentions were...? I'm just not really convinced by "watch show in THIS way" arguments revealing anything significant. Sure they may be entertaining or diversionary but that's about it.

There are so many echoes that occur, twinned moments in different episodes, symmetries etc. I don't think there's any definitive way to view this thing, but some parts are so clearly meant to be cross-dimensional correspondences it's not really that much of a jump that synchronising some sequences would compliment/correspond. The Sarah smashing Laura pic/Coop & Carrie outside the house bit is stunning to watch in tandem.

the Candie, Mandie, Sandie entrance is very similar to this incredible and weird af scene from BV

https://imgur.com/a/yfAy1

https://imgur.com/a/yfAy1

https://imgur.com/e9Lh3pp

?

https://i.imgur.com/ogwzRi7.jpg

finally! i hope it was worth something.

Love that scene

Man, those conversations about Judy on Reddit are exhausting. Find it hard to care at all about the mysterious, vaguely defined evil that may or may not have even been shown on screen.

These Twin Peaks post-morts and dissections make me a little sad... glad people are debating, but the fact that they're focusing so much on shit we didn't see, and that takes up just a relative sliver of the show's 18 hours, is depressing. That entire Reddit thread is like a desperate attempt for fulfillment

yeah i've checked out. i liked seeing reactions as the show ran but the never ending recapitulation and assessments are tiresome and boring.

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Bill Hader?

Guessing they're friends or something

To ask a dumb question -- Cole dumps Judy exposition at the top of ep 17, but is it even really clear from that description that Judy is evil?

I think he explicitly says it but that's iirc

"negative"

an “extreme negative force”

I was thinking of Twin Peaks being this fictional alternate universe that is running along, a little more wholesome than our own, except for the intervention of this external force that brings negative energy

Judy is the injection of the real world into the Twin Peaks world. Judy's agent is... David Lynch, who even wrote himself into that world as a good guy

Judy = comments section of every website ever

^^ gets it

"Talking about Judy" = making David Lynch talk about the meaning of his work and destroy mysteries.

i also have a dumb question -- when cole dumps the judy exposition, are we the viewer supposed to have an idea or to surmise anything in particular about how he would have been aware of cooper's plan?

(possible that this question is only coming to mind with me now a week on having forgotten some glaring indicators)

coworker pointed out something interesting yesterday--

Ben's assistant Beverly's last name is Paige. And she doesn't know who Laura Palmer is

are we the viewer supposed to have an idea or to surmise anything in particular about how he would have been aware of cooper's plan

haha I wondered about this too cuz at what point were Cooper, the Major and Cole all together to hatch this plan - some point towards the end of season 2, I guess?

OMG...is Carrie the final missing page?

lol

Carry page home

haha I wondered about this too cuz at what point were Cooper, the Major and Cole all together to hatch this plan - some point towards the end of season 2, I guess?

Or after season 2, and it was Mr C plotting with an unaware Briggs and Cole

I wonder how long Mr. C kept up appearances as a slick FBI agent. Like, when did he become greasy & weather-beaten?

The retcon about Cooper, Briggs and Cole hatching a plan for Judy is the thing that's been grating on me the most. I don't think it was Mr. C posing as Cooper, everyone consistently figures out quickly there's something very wrong with him.

Better than reddit (not saying much but...):

http://ew.com/recap/twin-peaks-season-3-finale/

I dreamt last night that some German channel was the first to broadcast a surprise Season 4, but it didn't involve Lynch or most of the main actors/characters; e.g. there was no Coop, though there were some returning minor characters from all three seasons. While it started out vaguely interesting if a bit generic, it went downhill fast, a bit like the weakest moments of Season 2 but even less defensible. I gave up once it turned out that the character of Diane featured in the series after all but was played by someone who wasn't Laura Dern.

We all know dreams are super important in Twin Peaks etc. etc.

Just brought Windham Hell up on the neoclassical metal thread but their first album had a Twin Peaks theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jJ8VuLon4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c7rSsnDIAs

I don't think it was Mr. C posing as Cooper, everyone consistently figures out quickly there's something very wrong with him.

Very quickly = after 25 years of corruption. It's explicit in the show that he fooled people for (weeks? months? years?) before disappearing and taking up his Mr C. life.

I was under the impression he disappeared from TP pretty quickly, after being seen by Doc Hayward (who sensed something was wrong) at the hospital and the fire at Major Briggs' station, both of which I think happened very soon after the s2 finale.

I thought about this too! It's clear that Briggs was in contact with Cooper in the Lodge so they might also have formed their plan after the season 2 finale.

that's actually the stuff I would love to see; obviously they can never really film it, not in a realistic style, but I really want to know what happened right after season 2. maybe mark frost is going to blather about it in this dumb book I already paid for.