Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I've been thinking for obvious reasons about Twin Peaks and John Ashbery. On the one hand it's clear that the wrong way to think of Ashbery's poems as puzzles whose "true meaning" you can unlock. At the same time, the process of finding associations, of identifying pronouns with potential antecedents, etc., is definitely part of reading Ashbery's poems, and should be! He is writing his poems with the understanding that the reading mind can't not do that and it's part of what generates the effect. I guess what I'm saying is that a hypothetical watcher who watched Twin Peaks purely as an exercise in tone and visual effect and was TRULY indifferent to the question "what's going on" wouldn't be seeing the whole thing. But I also don't believe humans can really watch like that!

Agree and of course nobody is arguing for that

lynch / frost write their scripts with the understanding that woke minds can really watch (experience life in general) like they take their dreams as prophetic precollections

ashbery was apparently a big lynch fan too, and i find it utterly heartbreaking that he died just before the finale.

I would love to read Ashbery on Lynch, is this in interviews?

Nowadays film watchers such as John Ashbery can do things differently. He doesn't go out very much these days. Movies can come to you now. You can see them at home. Some of his recent favourites have included David Lynch's Inland Empire and There's Something About Mary, starring Ben Stiller and Cameron Diaz. 'I saw that one about four times. All the essential dirty parts were cut for TV.'

http://www.pnreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/scribe?item_id=8311

I love both those movies too

how could you leave out the next sentence

For all his addiction to home cinema, he made at least one trip out to the movie house recently, to see Sacha Baron Cohen camping it up in Brüno. 'That has to be the filthiest non-porn movie ever made,' he wrote to me later, 'and worth seeing if only for that, though it's quite funny. There was only one other person in the audience.'

'Yes, I'd like to make a collage-type film. They do cross over, poetry and movies. My poetry seems to be something I make up as I go along. Certain movies strike me that way - going in and out of one's dreams...'

i'm fascinated by the unease generated by approaching TP's kooky bits literally

like every few years i get interested in this show and i'm surprised to see internet communities treating it like a big puzzle, it's surrealism! not chris nolan clockworkism

and then twenty minutes of wiki wormholing later i'm re-surprised to realize it's totally justified

Ha yes.

like everything that happens in the red room in episode 2 end up making literal sense, everything has a literal name, the red room itself is a literal place

the internet puzzle-solving communities are still pretty gross though

CHECK THIS OUT: https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6z818g/s3e18_the_key_to_understanding_the_return_is_dune/

i have NO IDEA if it's supposed to be satire, i don't think it is

not gonna believe it until we see the tptr cut scenes featuring sting as judy

Lynch seems to encourage 'puzzle' approaches, though - like with Mulholland Drive and the sheets of paper you got going in to see it: "David Lynch wants you to understand Mulholland Drive..." or whatever it said, with its list of clues.

http://bonobo.jones.free.fr/cinema/clues.jpg

http://bonobo.jones.free.fr/cinema/clues.jpg

like this kind of thing

yeah there were even more in the DVD liners. and they all have answers

lol @ "if you don't get it the first time see it again"

lol that's not great advice, most people don't want to treat a movie like it's a video game with puzzles/keys to open doors

sure about that

sure about what? my post is in reference to "if you don't see it the first time, see it again"

oh i thought you were talking about the list of clues

"see it again" is definitely lol marketing (so is the list ofc)

Never seen that MD flyer before. When Dune first came out, theaters handed out a glossery sheet.

DVD liner went one stage further (mine is different, but has the same questions):

https://garmonblogzia.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/24073-muldriveinsert.jpg

I'm not sure whether I remember being handed a list of clues on theatrical release, if I'm honest.

I remember it, but it had 10 like yours - but the one I posted was from UGC and that would have been where I saw it. I also remember it saying "David Lynch wants you to understand...etc.", but it was a long time ago, so who knows.

Either way, I think Lynch wrote them? Under pressure from the studio, no doubt, but still.

I definitely wasn't handed a list of study suggestions

Having not looked into it yet, I'm agnostic about whether scenes from the last two episodes sync up, but it seems pretty absurd to dismiss the notion out of hand, given that we've already seen an instance of two scenes that were fairly obviously intended to sync up (Judy emerging from the glass box/Coop and Naido in Purple Palace).

The problem isn't whether they sync up, but whether they sync up significantly better than any other two episodes, when watched by a motivated viewer.

maybe every single episode syncs up with the others.

If anything I'd promote the first and last - people like that kind of symmetry (and lynch does echo things between them, I think - still only watched it all once)

Anyone remember the game Deadly Premonition? It was way more derivative of Lynch than Silent Hill was. The first trailer was so similar to Twin Peaks that it looked like a ripoff but they changed things as the game developed.
It was supposed to be quite awkward but it had a fair number of huge fans.

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/deadlypremonition/deadlypremonition.htm

Yeah, I was thinking about returning to that after abandoning it ages ago. It's an incredibly janky game in terms of mechanics but very very odd.

The non-Lynch work I've felt the most inspired to return to since the end of The Return is Frank (and Jim Woodring's work in general).

Ha yeah I was thinking of Jim as a viable post Peaks port to land in. Mahler symphonies have been my main succor in this comedown zone. Might have to reread the book of the new sun about now.

I have been wondering - when was the last time people who love narrative art have been collectively churning in a wake of this size? I was thinking, after the first complete performance of the Ring cycle, or, on a broader timescale, the whole generation of writers musicians and painters in the generation after Wagner. Is there a more recent example of a scene of global digestion of a piece of work so massive, strange, ambiguous and ridiculously self-hyperlinked?

Harry potter

Lost

Nakhchivan

Look What You Made Me Do

The problem isn't whether they sync up, but whether they sync up significantly better than any other two episodes

I dunno, I think 1/2 and 17/18 are special in that they were released simultaneously, so I think it does make more sense to look particularly to those two pairs for syncing magic.

Feel the same. Not had time yet tho

Just reread dan clowes Like a Velvet Glive Cast in Iron for the first time in years and it felt very Lynch, by way of Coen bros maybe.

As far as synced episodes go, here's what producer Sabrina Sutherland had to say in her reddit AMA the other day

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WmLwbURWMNy6OmzV2

Well that image didn't work so I'll just copy and paste:

TeapotJeffries 14 points 17 hours ago
Hey Sabrina! Thank you so much for helping to bring forth some of the most amazing TV ever!
Have you heard of the sync theory, where people have been watching multiple episodes simultaneously? Are we as crazy as we think we probably are.... or....

SabrinaSOfficial 66 points 15 hours ago
I have only just heard of this. I know the show was never intended to be screened like this. I don't know what to think!

well that should definitely put an end to that theory forever

That's walking it back slightly from her response the first time she was asked which was basically "lol what, no"

xp oh, I am sure it will (lol)

Her response when someone asked about Donna was "Donna didn't work out this season, unfortunately."

i skimmed a sync of 17/18, even if it's a coincidence (really hard to believe when you see it), the ending is just incredible. echoing Karl upthread, it's so beautiful & uplifting - suggests Judy has been defeated

what if you watch the finale with your eyes closed, I bet that changes the ending entirely too

If you watch the series backwards it ends with a cryptic scene between Cooper and The Fireman