Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

The opening epigraph to this book is "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger." - Friedrich Nietzsche (and Kelly Clarkson).

people at my job are reading this. from what i've gathered it really is about her, she is trying to write in a voice that is playful and personal and even lightly irreverent. it's like she doesn't care at all how harmful it is for Americans to keep picking at the scab of the democratic primaries.

the election is just a thing she experienced that made her stronger and didn't lead directly to 800,000 innocent young immigrants being placed in danger of deportation

On the Lewinsky point, no - though 20 years on we'd never give a pass to a person in a position of supreme authority having a secret workplace affair with a powerless subordinate - but Bill and Trump were accused of rape an equal number of times IIRC.

― louie mensch (milo z), Thursday, September 7, 2017 3:52 PM (six hours ago)

the only rape accusation against bill clinton i've heard of was by juanita broaddrick, whose case is complicated by the fact that she testified under oath that it didn't happen

whereas trump was accused of rape in a court deposition by his wife

No one would find it "complicated" if someone contemporaneously told a bunch of people that she'd been raped and then told a different story in a deposition when her rapist became a hugely powerful person if the rapist were anyone else but a dem president. Trump's ex also told a different story later on but who believes that?

Keyes OTM. IMO what has happened with Bill Clinton was that, with the right wing crusade to get him on absolutely ANYTHING during his presidency, people got very dug in and it sort of clouded their judgment of his actual problems. I was one of those people -- I really resented the way the Clintons were treated too, although I was only a teenager and probably largely receiving my parents opinions. It was only recently when I started reading stuff about the Broaddrick case again that I started to think "Well wait a minute, why isn't this credible? If anyone else were involved, wouldn't we find this credible?" Her story reads as credible, and he's a notorious pathological womanizer who also abused his power as fucking PRESIDENT to have a rather lopsided affair with a young intern, which, btw, is another thing that I think people would find a lot more disgusting if it were anyone other than Bill Clinton. There's a lawyer in my field who was ousted from his firm for not dissimilar behavior with a young associate.

None of this is to give any credence to the absurd suggestion that Hillary being married to Bill Clinton makes her somehow comparable to Trump, that's just a gross sentiment imo.

if anybody has a pdf of the book please dm me

Skype it to my inbox

shoot it directly into my veins

Lol

Verrit it to my wordpress account

shoot it directly into my veins

Instant death

please

https://verrit.com/hillary-democrats-are-the-heart-and-conscience-of-america/

https://verrit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/verrit-0443120.jpg

Oh sorry, the image version doesn't show the title (which shows if you click the link above, and is in the URL).

Jesus.

Is Hillary basically behind Verrit?

"Behind" as in responsible for or "behind" as in endorsed it? The latter yes, former I doubt. Daou seems like a bit of a hanger-on who is tolerated but outside the favored circle. I was actually surprised she even endorsed it. She probably thought of it as being like one of those meaningless book-jacket blurbs and didn't realize how many ripples her little pebble throw would have.

Yeah that's what I thought. It's a weird site though.
Hard for me to understand the purpse of it.

It kind of just reads like a really shitty version of the Harpers Index

Verrit sounds like a combination of ferret and varmint

that's bc they ferret out all the little fact-varmints that you need to uh

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another thing that I think people would find a lot more disgusting if it were anyone other than Bill Clinton.

The question I had to answer at the time, as a full-grown adult, was not whether it was disgusting, which it was in most respects given the extreme inequality in their ages and positions, but whether it was impeachable. My answer then and now is that, because it had no bearing upon or relevance to his conduct of the office of president, and did not touch on a single one of his official duties, that it was not impeachable, but it was censurable. iow, Congress could more justly have expressed its disgust and displeasure though a resolution making it plain that it was conduct unbecoming his office. Impeachment was a pure power grab, using disgust as a pretext.

Most other US adults at the time (about 70% iirc), apparently shared the bulk of my sentiments.

It was sexual harassment, pretty much, and every boss should be fired for that kind of behaviour. But a publicly elected leader is tougher to fire, and things have fortunately changed since the nineties.

Aimless, if it has nothing to do with his duties then why do we care that Trump said "grab her by the pussy"?

wtf

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNNxseXUAEidqK.jpg

at this point i sort of enjoy seeing her to continue fleecing her sycophantic following for all they are worth

Hillary Rodham Clinton is coming to London Literature Festival

sick bern on Colbert

“Look, Secretary Clinton ran against the most unpopular candidate in the history of this country and she lost and she was upset about it and I understand that,” the senator said. “But our job is really not to go backwards. It is to go forwards.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-stephen-colbert_us_59b23843e4b0dfaafcf6dc94

that letter's a pretty good example of how out of touch she is. everyone lives in NYC and has a couple hundred to blow, so go watch this broadway show. i'm already a gazillionaire, but i should definitely charge 90 bucks for people to come to my book tour

Aimless, if it has nothing to do with his duties then why do we care that Trump said "grab her by the pussy"?

Because it was revealed during an election, when voters could evaluate its meaning for themselves and decide whether they had better choices upon whom to bestow their vote. Clinton was in office and removing him from office has much different practical effects on the nation.

Also, you seem to imply that I was saying no one cared about Clinton's misdeeds. People did care. People still care. His reputation is badly damaged and his sexual conduct will never be forgotten or excused. He was probably a factor in Hillary's loss, simply by their still being married, so that he would have been back in the White House had she won. As I said, it was worthy of official censure and it probably would have been unanimous. But impeachment was what the Republicans wanted and not what most of the nation thought was best for the country.

and things have fortunately changed since the nineties.

i am not making this assumption

Clinton wrote that while she was impressed with the massive anti-Trump demonstrations in the days after his January inauguration, "I couldn't help but ask where those feelings of solidarity, outrage and passion had been during the election."

oh my god i have to read this book

better you than me

fortunately clintonism is apparently just as self-destructive as trumpism

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Re the "pony" thing, Hillary is that kid who ran for student council against the kid who was promising to get vending machines in the cafeteria, and her campaign was "Student council can't get vending machines in the cafeteria, he's just saying that to get votes!" And then the other kid wins and convinces the school administration to add vending machines in the cafeteria.

Classic for plugging Elena Ferrante, though I have my doubts about the Snyder (which I've only read excerpts of.)

I feel like the inevitable biography of Hillary is going to have to carry the theme of her incredibly poor judgement regarding other people's reactions. It's actually really, really sad, well maybe that's obvious, but that she was given so many opportunities, and took so many of those opportunities, and tried pretty fucking hard for the better part of half a century (Yale law '73), and came up snake eyes in so many ways. She trusted so many of the wrong people, and time and time again she committed unforced errors, and there's got to be at least a dozen occasions where she was supposed to be over, out, done with, toast, into the cornfield.

She strikes me as superlatively book-smart, frighteningly tenacious, and genuinely committed on womens' and childrens' issues. And she's also extraordinarily loyal, but mostly to people who suck.

that's a great point they made on the most recent chapo - she's very much like Trump in being loyal to & trusting of anyone that fawns over her but is otherwise incompetent (cf. daou, mook, dws)

and i agree it is very sad. this-

I feel like the inevitable biography of Hillary is going to have to carry the theme of her incredibly poor judgement regarding other people's reactions. It's actually really, really sad, well maybe that's obvious, but that she was given so many opportunities, and took so many of those opportunities, and tried pretty fucking hard for the better part of half a century (Yale law '73), and came up snake eyes in so many ways.

is so otm

She's probably one of the toughest people ever. Who else could hold her head high through the Lewinsky thing and then *want* to turn around and run for a Senate seat in a super high profile state? Then she endured a decade and a half in the public eye, where she was subject to an almost unprecedented degree of scorn and invective, lost a nasty presidential primary in which she burned a lot of goodwill among Democrats, and was investigated by the FBI. Then she ran for President again! Knowing how miserable it was, how she would spend the bulk of her 70s as an even more visible, even more hated target!

Like, who else would make these choices?

I'm not sure it's even admirable but it's awe inspiring.

Mastering that level of DGAF-what-people-say comes with side effects.

"If the dossier is to be believed, the Russian effort may well have started as an anti-Clinton operation, and only became combined with the separate effort to cultivate the Trump team when it appeared Trump might win the nomination."

https://www.justsecurity.org/44697/steele-dossier-knowing/