Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

Can everyone who uses "not a good look" go die in a fire

this is escalating quickly. how tf did we start talking about "nagl" in the first place

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Hillary Clinton: Hecka Slammin

Hillary Clinton: "What makes me such a lightning rod for fury? I'm really asking. I'm at a loss." https://t.co/hKpkPPHT3V

— Dan Merica (@danmericaCNN) September 6, 2017

"Self-pity stinks." - my mom

Good God

Honestly just stop "policing" the way people talk *about* Hillary Clinton so hard. She's one of the most powerful people in the world. She will be ok without Fred's posts.

"takes ownership" is a loathsome phrase

x-post: That's so far from being the point.

That night was when the tape of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women had just come out. The whole scenario was extremely gross. And to now get mad at Hillary for the way she speaks about it is textbook rape culture. It's not about whether Hillary will be okay or not, it's just gross.

i don't know what the fuck people mean half the time when they say "not a good look" but fred's use of "gaslighting" (a term generally used to describe behavior in abusive relationships) to try to imply that someone is engaging in abusive behavior by daring to criticize hillary clinton on a public message board is, well, not a good fuckin' look.

Thus Sang Freud was literally writing about a sexual abuser.

we're aware of who and what trump is, dude, we live through this garbage every day. you can cut out the condescending lectures any time.

"But Her Emails!" the new magazine for the 65.8 million. In this month's issue, Hillary asks "why is everyone still talking about my emails?"

NEW: Hillary worried Trump really would 'lock her up.' https://t.co/MVvZTyyUzP pic.twitter.com/E0DQM34TQJ

— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) September 7, 2017

well this suggests that she gives an uncomfortable amount of credence to the idea that the office of the president can force the justice system to bend to his will

Or it suggests that threats have a psychological effect.

Seriously guys, there's so much to criticize Clinton for. The other thread is rolling along nicely. No need to do shit like this.

Fred otm

That night was when the tape of Trump bragging about sexually assaulting women had just come out

tbf that would have probably been a bigger deal if she hadn't remained married to famed womanizer Bill Clinton who had set the low bar to "fuck an intern in the whitehouse".

are you equivocating their behaviour?

and is there anything you can't blame Hillary Clinton for?

Tbh, I'm kinda with Fred on these points, as much as the excerpts I've seen about the primary seem ridiculous and infuriating.

He did not fuck that intern, Miss Lewinsky, in the White House!

are you equivocating their behaviour?

On the Lewinsky point, no - though 20 years on we'd never give a pass to a person in a position of supreme authority having a secret workplace affair with a powerless subordinate - but Bill and Trump were accused of rape an equal number of times IIRC.

Um....

Trump then had 9 accusations of sexual assault, and his own admittance that he gets away with sexually assaulting women, so... It's kinda not the same.

Didn't realize Bill Clinton was running for president in 2016...

remember when we were guessing what we would call him when hillary was in office. "first laddy" "first gentleman" ... halcyon days

Can someone remind me why extending a thread about Hillary Clinton by another couple hundred posts seems like a reasonable way to spend our time?

Because she's fascinating, and her behavior & brain should be studied. She lost to DONALD TRUMP. it'd be one thing if she lost to Jeb, or Rubio. Even Cruz. But she lost.... to DONALD TRUMP. I know she must have a crustacean-like emotional exoskeleton, like all politicians have, but... how the fuck did she not 1) commit suicide 2) have a stroke 3) spontaneously combust on election night. The election had a profound psychic effect on millions of people all over the world. it made people physically sick. still does. To be the person that shoulders that. "embarrassing," "humiliating," - no. It transcends language. Oh my god, her brain needs to be studied. That's why I want to read her book, but I don't want to pay for it so I'll keep bugging them for a promo copy or get a pdf eventually.

Because she has a new book out.

It's all about as simple as the Republican base held together, largely because they'd been shut out of the presidency for 8 years and were motivated, despite the fact their candidate was Donald Fucking Trump, whereas the Democratic base that elected Obama also delivered 3,000,000 more popular votes for HRC than Trump got, but did not turn out in sufficient numbers in a few key states Obama won. So she lost.

You can call that a spectacular upset, because it is spectacularly upsetting, but it makes more sense to me to blame the people who voted for Trump, in the full knowledge that he was a human bucket of garbage, than to blame Clinton.

Oh, and self-serving books by politicians are almost never worth talking about.

You can call that a spectacular upset, because it is spectacularly upsetting, but it makes more sense to me to blame the people who voted for Trump, in the full knowledge that he was a human bucket of garbage, than to blame Clinton.

Why not both? This was HRC's election to lose. She underestimated her opponent, had a shit team, and smeared a much more organically successful and popular candidate opposing her in the primaries. That she hired DWS immediately after she was fired by the DNC speaks to her utter obliviousness and incompetence. She just couldn't stop making mistakes.

and yet she still won more votes than Trump

i could've sworn i woke up today in september 2017

this was doomed to happen as soon as the book was announced.

speaking of which, the finger-pointing excerpts coming out just as Harris and Warren are throwing their weight behind Sanders' healthcare bill seems like not such great timing

Yeah this book is the last thing we need right now.

The opening epigraph to this book is "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger." - Friedrich Nietzsche (and Kelly Clarkson).

people at my job are reading this. from what i've gathered it really is about her, she is trying to write in a voice that is playful and personal and even lightly irreverent. it's like she doesn't care at all how harmful it is for Americans to keep picking at the scab of the democratic primaries.

the election is just a thing she experienced that made her stronger and didn't lead directly to 800,000 innocent young immigrants being placed in danger of deportation

On the Lewinsky point, no - though 20 years on we'd never give a pass to a person in a position of supreme authority having a secret workplace affair with a powerless subordinate - but Bill and Trump were accused of rape an equal number of times IIRC.

― louie mensch (milo z), Thursday, September 7, 2017 3:52 PM (six hours ago)

the only rape accusation against bill clinton i've heard of was by juanita broaddrick, whose case is complicated by the fact that she testified under oath that it didn't happen

whereas trump was accused of rape in a court deposition by his wife

No one would find it "complicated" if someone contemporaneously told a bunch of people that she'd been raped and then told a different story in a deposition when her rapist became a hugely powerful person if the rapist were anyone else but a dem president. Trump's ex also told a different story later on but who believes that?

Keyes OTM. IMO what has happened with Bill Clinton was that, with the right wing crusade to get him on absolutely ANYTHING during his presidency, people got very dug in and it sort of clouded their judgment of his actual problems. I was one of those people -- I really resented the way the Clintons were treated too, although I was only a teenager and probably largely receiving my parents opinions. It was only recently when I started reading stuff about the Broaddrick case again that I started to think "Well wait a minute, why isn't this credible? If anyone else were involved, wouldn't we find this credible?" Her story reads as credible, and he's a notorious pathological womanizer who also abused his power as fucking PRESIDENT to have a rather lopsided affair with a young intern, which, btw, is another thing that I think people would find a lot more disgusting if it were anyone other than Bill Clinton. There's a lawyer in my field who was ousted from his firm for not dissimilar behavior with a young associate.

None of this is to give any credence to the absurd suggestion that Hillary being married to Bill Clinton makes her somehow comparable to Trump, that's just a gross sentiment imo.

if anybody has a pdf of the book please dm me

Skype it to my inbox

shoot it directly into my veins