Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

The timing of the return of "My Prayer" is pretty key. The first time we hear it these are the lyrics just before the Woodsman *record scratch*

My prayer and the answer you give
May they still be the same...

The young girl who's just had her first kiss, dreaming of an ideal consummation. But it's interrupted at this point. She's put to sleep, and the cicada-frog crawls into her mouth.

The verse is allowed to play out during the Richard and Linda sex scene, which is a kind of reckoning with or attempted resolution of sexual violence:

...for as long as we live
That you'll always be there
At the end of my prayer

Which seems highly ironic and full of double meanings, in context.

It's also pretty funny that at the radio station the line that plays just before the Woodsman first asks GOTTA LIGHT? is:

Oh tell me the words that I'm longing to know

Though not really funny when it's repeated, since this bridge is the moment Diane seems to realize something horrible, and covers Dale's face.

Or Diane and Dale sex scene would be more accurate I guess

i think there's something to be said for dream logic in the sense that in dreams people know and do things that they don't quite understand, as if the information is already encoded in their dream DNA. Not sure how much this applies to Peaks, but I'm often confused how much Dale knows when he's bumbling through or how much the dream is guiding him

The one time Judy/Experiment appears in the glass box, 2 people are having sex in front of it. The Coop/Diane sex scene had an almost ritualistic feel, and they're in the same position.

(Creepy Mr. C voice) This is an interesting thing to think about.

also wanted to throw out the entertaining details when Naido reverts to Diane - bright red wig, alternating black + white fingernail polish. sounds familiar.

lol Chris

I realize the dark aspects of sexuality and its connection to Judy etc is kind of obvious and has already been commented on, I'm just really impressed by how well orchestrated "My Prayer" is with this when it appears.

sorry if this has already been pointed out but i only just realized that coop holding his arm out and sorta telepathically brushing the curtains of the red room seems... pretty similar to the gesture he makes in the middle of the street in front of the palmer house before he says "what year is this"

Yeah I thought that while watching

"Not where it counts, buddy."

Definitely a dick joke. And a funny one at that.

Diane kisses Cooper throughout the sex scene. Then progressively covers his entire (unemotional) face. She seems to be the only one expressing tenderness. I don't think the sex is ritualistic or traumatic. Just not very exciting for either party it seems. After years apart the consummation is -- not what it could've been.

I don't think they _feel_ like Cooper and Diane at that point. If they wanted to really be together, it'd have to be before that road journey. They're already drifting into different identities while trying to hold on to their own. Diane wakes up as Linda, Cooper's still trying to keep present.

Diane covering Cooper's face also is an echo of her exile as Naido, imo

Q: was Naido identified as Naido anywhere outside of the credits?

Laura Dern's performance in that scene is all I need to be convinced it's a reckoning with her prior trauma, albeit a complicated and conflicting one. But then there's also the silent yet fraught exchange between her and her double, Cooper commanding her "You come to me," and just... the whole history there. The rape, obviously, but also my favorite line during her confession, "It had only happened once before," just how much must've been left unresolved from that, and how the rape must've destroyed any lingering longing or trust between them.

even before this, but specifically reinforced by what you've described, I've thought Dern was America's best actress.

if anyone in this thread hasn't seen enlightened it was my favorite tv show of all time before this season of tp

Enlightened was incredible and no Dern fan should miss it.

Dern saying "I'm not me" was one of the most haunting lines in the series for me

yeah Dern FTW

even before this, but specifically reinforced by what you've described, I've thought Dern was America's best actress.

actor tbh

Enlightened is my favorite show of the past half decade or so (reserving judgment on The Return's placement until I've rewatched).

Just the difference in a static shot of Dern's face when she was portraying Diane vs. faux Diane. She's a master.

yes I think that's accurate xpost

Her performance in IE and Naomi Watts's in MH are two of my all-time favorites, so getting both of them in this series was a real treat.

I'd have a lot of trouble trying to name Dern's best performance whereas I think it's pretty clear this is Kyle MacLachlan's best, right?

xpost (They're up there with Adjani in Possession, which is white-hot praise coming from me.)

Yes, I'd agree this was MacLachlan's greatest performance, easily. He was amazing and deserves all the awards.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/04/13/11/david-lynch-cow.jpg

sorry i love posting that picture at every opportunity

all-time great marketing campaign

Definitely career best from maclachlan. There are, what, 6?7?8? discrete performances by him in this, and he makes them all so distinct w complete command down to how he holds his face and the most minor postural & gestural tells (not only that but there are all these subtle modulations within each performance). Dern, I agree, is pretty much always at that level. So many actors at the top of their game in this

xpost (They're up there with Adjani in Possession, which is white-hot praise coming from me.)

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lol my two favorite performances of all time are adjani in possession and sheryl lee in fwwm

Oh yeah, duh, I'd def put Lee's FWWM performance in that pantheon. You're a man with taste, Brad!

Which begs the question: how the hell did Adjani and Lynch never work together? That is an insane shame.

wonder if this will get any emmy nominations. My gut tells me No.

the only time kyle became ambiguous for me was in the very last episode. i dunno if it was intentional but i felt like there were touches of evil coop in the lead-up to the sex scene. like he had been very "on" as old cooper, all friendly etc, and then seemed to switch back to troubled.

i agree he was incredible throughout tho.

tbh it's not at all an injustice that Dern doesn't win whatever bs award, that's more just confirmation that paying any attention to those is a waste of your time, but it is an injustice how few big roles have been given to sheryl lee (this is true of quite a lot of the original peaks cast but especially lee)

hey guys what if the last sequence (post drive to the desert) actually takes place chronologically before the rest of the show ie before he gets out of the Lodge waiting room for good and back into TP universe proper

wins OTM re Lee's injustice - even her brief scenes in the return broke my heart, she's a master

I don't know if it's deliberate but there's a hint of familial continuity in lee's fwwm performance and some of the zabriskie stuff in the return, the snap swing from confusion & anxiety to blank hostility

Obv they're dealing w a lot of the same stuff, and the same kind of people: hawk/james/coop, god love them all; it's great that we get a reprise of Laura's middle finger to James the clueless dork who fancies himself a saviour, but in the b&w version that fuck you is for an audience of two

anyone think about the parallels to Lolita in Episode 18? The car following them, the 'doubles', and in Lolita (at least in the film) , she winds up married to a man named Richard. I don't know what any of this means in relation to TP explicitly.

i'm sad we didn't get 'gone, like a turkey in the corn, gobble gobble' in a flashback

otm

We got the jerky

was that a real band of jerky btw? they should use Sarah Palmer freaking out in an ad.

brand. brand of jerky.

just got up from reading this thread to see some people walk into our office with a giant box that says "PHILLIP JEFFRIES" on it.

I'm gueesing it's these folk:

https://www.phillipjeffries.com/

I guess once you've been a teapot getting turned into a giant box probably isn't so bad

goddammit
xp

What is the "unofficial version" Cole will know about?

anyone think about the parallels to Lolita in Episode 18? The car following them, the 'doubles', and in Lolita (at least in the film) , she winds up married to a man named Richard. I don't know what any of this means in relation to TP explicitly.

Weirdly, I couldn't think of the overt Lolita refs for my 'Lynch on Lynch' theory, thanks for that.