brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

oof

harsh but fair

jr-m looks like he's torpedoed himself, good riddance to tory rubbish

how?

Ant gay marriage and anti abortion, even in the case of rape.

Anti-abortion under any circumstances/ anti gay marriage.

He has always been a joke candidate boosted by media ironists so hopefully they will knock that on the head.

Says he is against gay marriage, and abortions, even for women who have been raped

xps

I'd like him leading the Tories. I have seen him getting away with talking all sorts of unmitigated nonsense, under the increased scrutiny of an election campaign - he would be torn to pieces in no time imo.

this is an article about Jacob Rees-Mogg from 2013 https://t.co/60D5Va225L pic.twitter.com/Y4O1MHKO0n

— Matthew Champion (@matthewchampion) September 6, 2017

Oh I saw that - he has no wish to change the laws, it's his personal stupid opinion.

Yeah, let's have another Man Of The people. There must be at least two like him, so. Man of Some People. Or Man of Two People.

Xpost obv.

Dunno if even "personal opinion" will cut it with the electorate, tbf. This separation of personal beliefs and govt duties is tricky to pull off when you're basing a campaign on your personality.

tim farron suggests it won't wash

it's tempting to think of JRM as the leader the tories deserve though

never forget http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/08/08/exclusive-william-rees-mogg-and-the-right-wing-group-that-wants-black-britons-to-leave-the-uk/

he was caught attending a pro-Nazi (Tradition Britain) group do, only this July passed. But tbf, when you hang out with lots of different racists, sometimes you forget which ones are the pro-Hitler ones

* Traditional Britain Group, I meant.

That would actually be pretty big news, as the 2013 articles stevie (And Neil S) posted have him distancing himself from them - do you have a source for it?

Well, pretty big news if you discount him shooting himself in the face on Good Morning Britain.

I just control f-ed up thread and I must have been looking at the same story, and mistaking it for current when I posted about it on here back in July. Oops sorry!

No bother.

Mogg gets away with ill-educated(!) claptrap like "because of the good work of our farmers we have always been able to feed more than the population we produce". I don't even think anyone even buried in the last century has lived in a period of food self sufficiency in this country. But this fucking ugly little prick can make shit up like this on the spot, stuff that kids in primary wouldn't get away with, completely unchallenged. cos he lives in a big house. And the BBC of course.

Compeletly otm, and massively depressing.

activate's twitter has gone a bit quiet since yesterday

Retweet if you agree Jacob Rees-Mogg as Prime Minister would be absolutely #Brexcellent pic.twitter.com/l8VixnqAl5

— Activate (@ActivateBritain) September 5, 2017

Isn't the point of Activate to actually appeal to young people? Are they really not able to do better than JRM or are they just cretins?

is dominic raab a thing, i saw ppl talking abt him today and had never heard of him

he's quite something alright

#Brexcellent

JRM was interviewed by Ali G, who was popular among young people... well, around the time that the Activate ppl were at university

kicker for the brexit crew is that jrm wants to sever our ties to brussels ...and move us closer to rome instead

Are they really not able to do better than JRM or are they just cretins?

both, i think

as shitty as public discourse undoubtedly is in the uk i find it pretty heartening that jrm's views on abortion are widely and correctly regarded as total bullshit

is dominic raab a thing, i saw ppl talking abt him today and had never heard of him

Sadly no relation to Kurt. He was one of those upcoming right wing monsters, along with Priti Patel and Kwasi Kwarteng, who were suggesting the problem with the British, though not them personally of course, is they're lazy and should be more like Indians and the Chinese. Maybe a bit too much of a robot for the GBP though.

he's mates with Carswell IIRC, i.e. a swivel-eyed Brexit Bastard

Tom Tugendhat is probably worth keeping an eye on.

a JRM suicide is exactly the sort of cheering news I needed today

the state of these fannies

How many RTs can we get for this man? #MoggMentum pic.twitter.com/BOoVnZ4wfa

— MoggMentum (@MoggMentum) September 5, 2017

a JRM suicide is exactly the sort of cheering news I needed today

― stet, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 12:03 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

disappointed he didn't actually shoot himself onscreen

googling round to examine the issues w/a catholic becoming PM (none so far unless you count TBlair keeping it secret; historically considered problematic esp.among tories, who knows rhese days) and i found a sad quora answer explaining that (a) there are technically no LEGAL issues (as there are for example re the monarch and catholicism) but anyway (b) the next PM will be a jewish atheist

he then spells EdM's name wrong :(

lol also a hostile michael gove declared theresa may our "first catholic prime miniister" in march (bcz she gave up crisps for lent)

since we're living in the likely time of the end of the union, i think all this morbid nonsense has purchase, in all kinds of directions

"the problem with the British, though not them personally of course, is they're lazy and should be more like Indians and the Chinese."

I have been repeatedly hearing these productivity obsessed Tories quite a few times in recent years on R4, without always putting a name to the voice. Surely it doesn't take a genius to work out why workers in a country where anti child labour laws aren't strictly enforced, or a quite ruthless command economy, have much higher productivity rates than the UK.

unwanted foetuses to be sent to work as slaves in our future marmalade megafactories, everybody happy

when they are discussing productivity, the talk is all couched in euphemisms. Obv they don't dare call for a return of Victorian sweatshops, but I doubt they think improved wages and worker protection is a solution.

Exactly. UK productivity is a legit problem but you don't become Germany by slashing protection, you do it by having better management, better wages, losing the culture of 'putting the hours in', giving workers a stake in the company, engaging people with worker councils, etc - ie. the antithesis of UK management consultant groupthink.

tbf (wtf?) virtually every country has higher productivity rates than the UK. Even those lazy socialists in France.

Japan - which is pretty brutal in its work/life balance - has substantially worse productivity than the UK iirc.

jr-m looks like he's torpedoed himself, good riddance to tory rubbish

― plp will eat itself (NickB),

Still second favourite to be next tory leader (7/1).

Doesn't have to win over electorate if he wants to be leader within next 5 years? Just has to win over Tory MPs. Are the base that bothered?

tim farron suggests it won't wash

― ogmor, Wednesday

Farron had a different crowd to win over though

Working harder/longer completely irrelevant to prroductivity or lack of.

I'm kinda gutted JRM is out of the race. They would have been annihilated under his leadership.

Given that Boris couldn't get sufficient support from the Tory benches I'd guess the chance of Rees-Mogg getting to the final two in any putative leadership contest is virtually non-existent, especially as there's going to be more that one Brexit candidate in the mix.

Farron had a different crowd to win over though

― anvil

it's probably true that the collapse of the liberal distinction between private & public beliefs is primarily a consequence of identity politics & impacts the left more than anyone else

context of my virgin encounter with raab = stephen bush saying "v hard for stop raab stop leadsom stop boris and stop mogg to all succeed"

which does make a good point abt the nature of any upcoming tory leadership contest -- timing is awful for any of them, there's a fvckton of ambient angry despair and fribght in the party, no chalice more poisoned etc, but if it's on *someone* is going to win