Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Does anyone have a recommendation for reading up on the various geo-engineering options?

― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 September 2017 15:54 (yesterday)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ten-Technologies-Save-Planet-Author/dp/B00XV4C43I/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1504481388&sr=8-4&keywords=chris+goodall

Sorry for British link, and it's 7 years old now, but I read this, and it was good enough for my level.

I just realized that anything happening in Bangladesh is automatically going to affect more people than the same thing happening anywhere else.

Search around on "salinity intrusion" and you'll find a depressing amount of analysis on what could happen when rising sea water floods the rice production areas of Bangladesh.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-food-threatened-sea-level.html

i keep thinking about the various ways to eliminate all mosquitos from the earth, and how there are probably very awful and largely unpredictable side effects of doing that, and how those side effects are probably worth it from a cold equation POV :(

probably not worth it: you'd massively disrupt or destroy a number of ecosystems, including migratory birds, fish and predatory insects

right i i'm not basing this on anything solid and you're probably right but if it stops malaria from killing everyone in north america..

tbh i feel like we're long overdue a pandemic, whether it's malaria or zika or something else currently percolating quietly and waiting for its time in the spotlight

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/01/zika_carrying_mosquitoes_are_a_global_scourge_and_must_be_stopped.html

xp: For those interested in geoengineering, here's my collection of articles, mostly academic.

Thank you!

nice

Sanpaku is hall of fame

i wondered when he was going to deliver the knowledge

any of those articles good for a non-specialist?

All, really. The journal literature on climate change isn't heavy on jargon or formulae (compared to other fields), and technical information on atmospheric modeling seems relegated to supplemental information.

That's some irony -- anyone can read them, just half the population wouldn't believe it much less bother to read them.

Thanks so much for posting this.

feels weird to call a massively depressing piece 'good' as such, but this is def worth a read

“When I was younger,” Paffard tells us, “I would walk through the City of London and look at people living their everyday lives and think, ‘We’re all just continuing as though everything is normal, as though the world isn’t about to end.’ And that used to freak me out and make me angry. But now it just makes me sad . . . it’s the moments where you let yourself think about it when you get overwhelmed by it.”

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/tropical-depressions-kriss-ohagan

http://anthropoceneepoch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/HABITUS-9-medium-1024x682-1000x666.jpg

scott pruitt, EPA director

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-pruitt-climate-change-insensitive-floridians

Did I say already that we ought to be able to bait Trump into doing something about climate change? Like, he's too scared of fixing it so he's hiding his head in the sand and ignoring it.

T and most of the current R party are a lost cause. The goal is to support international efforts, and domestic green energy til 2021, really. I hope that remaining Paris signatories will evolve to a treaty with trade sanction teeth, to punish back-sliders and free-riders. Let America become a pariah nation for a while, and the stock markets plummet every time R's are elected, until we get with the program.

It's not like any politico has really realized the gravity of the problem yet. Gore's still talking about coastal real estate, when the trajectory is towards a world with a human carrying capacity of 2-3 billion, or less.

By the way, for those who enjoyed perusing those geoengineering articles, you're welcome to look at the broader collection on climate change issues or the whole neomalthusian morass. I haven't been fun at parties for a while.

Thanks sanpaku, I always appreciate your commentary and contributions.

I am going to put these all in iBooks and skim them sometime when I am drunk on an airplane and there's no good movies I haven't seen already.

Next to we hear about someone trying to open the exit door midflight we'll know it was you

Nah, got a kid now.

Sanpaku, many thanks for the pile of articles.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/09/10/police_urge_floridians_not_to_fire_their_guns_at_hurricane_irma.html

according to a FOAF on FB people do that all the time, part of the appeal is that the wind noise masks the sound of gunfire

this is predictably nuts

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/14/16290934/india-air-conditioner-cooler-design-climate-change-cept-symphony

By the end of the century, almost half the people on Earth will face deadly heat and humidity for more than 20 days a year, according to a study by Camilo Mora, a researcher at the University of Hawaii. And that’s the best-case scenario, with drastic reductions in carbon emissions. If emissions continue on their current trajectory, three-quarters of humanity will face deadly heat. Regions in the Persian Gulf, Bangladesh, and northeast India may become so hot and humid that, in the words of another recent study, they pass the “upper limit on human survivability,” deadly to anyone who ventures outside for more than a few hours. “Our choices now are between bad and terrible,” Mora said.

General, a joint venture between Japan’s Fujitsu and the Emirati company ETA, is selling a “hyper tropical” line meant for temperatures up to 125 degrees, which it unveiled with a Bollywood performance.

ACs India alone is expected to install by 2030 will be the equivalent of adding several new midsize countries to the global grid. With air conditioners already accounting for up to 60 percent of the summertime electricity use in cities like New Delhi, simply meeting the demand — and meeting it without burning huge amounts of fossil fuels — will be a challenge.

http://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2016/06/0602_air-conditioners-1000x664.jpg

The Chinese approach would make any architect ill:

https://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/chinasmack/2011/08/fuzhou-china-air-conditioner-wall-03.jpg

Of course room-sized air conditioners are of neccessity less energy efficient than building-sized ones, and making each resident responsible for their own heating/cooling eliminates incentives for efficient building design and insulation in construction.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/2017/a-pacific-flip-triggers-the-end-of-the-recent-slowdown

counterpoint

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb7mqa/phoenix-will-be-almost-unlivable-by-2050-thanks-to-climate-change

OK, we don't get hurricanes, but it's the end of September, it's fall, leaves are changing and dropping off, and ... it's 95 fucking degrees. Average Sept. temp is 72.

fake news. you're just jealous of koch success

http://billmoyers.com/story/a-must-read-jane-mayers-dark-money-uncovers-the-hidden-history-of-billionaires/

https://hpluspedia.org/images/9/94/Hpexrisk.png

I don't know where else to put this, but i feel like a Trump deal that has the potential to cripple solar energy development and cost us 88 THOUSAND jobs ought to be bigger news

https://www.abqjournal.com/1070045/trade-dispute-could-turn-solar-boom-into-a-bust-excerpt-hundreds-of-local-jobs-and-tens-of-thousands-nationally-are-at-stake.html

our president is a supervillain straight out of a comic book, lex luthor with hair plugs

xp hi dere welcome to my industry, yes this sucks but what has happened so far is that the ITC (International Trade Commission) has voted 4-0 to consider damages, but those "damages" could take the form of price floors, tariffs, or nothing at all.

worst case scenario is that prices in the US become the highest in the world, which in practice means reverting to 2015 pricing, lol. In another couple of years it should be right back to where it is now.

further irony is that the "remediation" period only lasts four years, which is not really enough time for any interested parties to build cell factories in the US if pricing is just gonna go back to normal at the end of the 4-year period (and there is anotehr wild card, that it could be extended for another 4 years, but nobody would know in advance if that will happen).

see also:

SOLAR POWER

and a more detailed article:

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solar-trade-case-advances-as-itc-finds-injury

Does anyone have a recommendation for reading up on the various geo-engineering options?

― El Tomboto, Sunday, September 3, 2017 7:54 AM (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a good, terrifying, and obviously very skeptical, chapter regarding geo-engineering in the naomi klein climate book

the biggest geo-engineering experiment took place in b.c. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/oct/15/pacific-iron-fertilisation-geoengineering

thx sleeve

sorry, Alfred

https://gizmodo.com/this-is-how-south-florida-ends-1783803198

record high october temps set across the US, unprecedented late-season heatwaves, 7+ consecutive days of record setting 92F+ temperatures here in chicago. it's a perfect time to announce plans to repeal of the Clean Power Plan. i guess it hasn't been posted here because there's not much to say about it. i have no idea how our ancestors will make any sense of the time we live in. it is an awful feeling to be living in an age with unprecedented access to information and have to witness our political representation act in this way. it's not ignorance, it's not stupidity - they're actively making decisions to enrich themselves with the knowledge that their actions are killing people and will kill many more.

it's not ignorance, it's not stupidity -

it's corruption in its purest form

https://gizmodo.com/hurricane-nate-sets-record-for-most-consecutive-atlanti-1819264248

Napa valley on fire, “among worst in state’s history”

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-napa-fires-20171009-story.html

When I lived near the Bay Area it was basically never not damp or foggy. The idea that wine country would get dry enough to go full tinderbox is dissonant.

There's always been plenty of dry areas here even just a little inland from the coast, but no lie this is something else.

yeah spent a very tense evening last night with a close friend whose whole family is out there, some evacuated, some waiting and seeing. fucking terrifying.

Entire Bay Area can smell smoke, and it's been getting worse every day.