Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

this preview of the finale seems otm

COOPER JUST HIT A SUPER KICK ON COOPER pic.twitter.com/IVWCerYs5J

— eyean (@skrongstyle) August 28, 2017

I don't get how Briggs (or Ruth) being killed squares with him "hiding out" in the White Lodge. People who die go to the Black Lodge. Living people who find a portal can move between the White Lodge and the world. That's simplified obv but it accurately sums up what we've seen so far I think.

Jeffries' coordinates presumably are for Jack Rabbit's Palace, which is where Mr C is headed, presumably, presumably to gain access to the portal. But if he's already been in the White Lodge to murder Briggs ("It's in our house now," maybe), why did he have to find the coordinates? Bobby's story about Cooper visiting his father makes it sound like Briggs was still alive when the Coop doppelgänger left him. Maybe there was a second meeting of Mr C and Briggs, at which Briggs was murdered. But that doesn't explain why Mr. C would need the coordinates, or how Briggs' and Ruth's bodies got mixed up.

cooper hits booper over the head with a shiny gold shovel

One of my favorite things about this season that's also a bit frustrating (purposefully so I'm sure) is that the first ep set up a new murder mystery that the show then pretty much just walked away from.

i'm starting my rewatch now and jeez this show is so great

scenes i was unsure of at first i just wholeheartedly love now

I wonder if they'll explain Briggs's fingerprints popping up in various places over the years (if I understood what Ernie Hudson's character said), or if we're to assume it's from him periodically visiting from the Lodge.

I assume it's the latter. So Mr. C goes to visit Briggs (I don't remember if Bobby said when this happened), spooks him and Briggs hides out in the White Lodge, coming back to earth when necessary, all the while not aging. Then somehow he's killed in conjunction with Ruth Davenport and their bodies get mixed up. Except her body falls to earth out of the portal whereas someone took the time to arrange her head and Briggs' body in a deceptive or showy way. That person or thing presumably still has Briggs' head. Or maybe there's no corporeal head left, just the talking specter floating in space.

my flashlight's broke

ruth's head wasn't there either. there is no head.

Her head was on Briggs' body, shot through the eye (by Mr. "Four through the eyes and one through each nostril")

If I remember correctly, Hastings mentioned that he saw Briggs's head float away. I assume what Coop saw floating around in Episode 3 is all we'll get to see of it; or, if it will appear again, it will likely be in this form.

man bad coop is so scary

good establishing character work in this show wrt chantal's motel room floor being littered with snacks

my Aunt's in town and I'm unlikely to see this at air time, such a bummer. Gonna have to avoid this thread like the plague

But if he's already been in the White Lodge to murder Briggs ("It's in our house now," maybe), why did he have to find the coordinates?

Maybe he thinks he can make his way in to the purple zone to kill the Fireman.

Or wherever the Fireman is.

where's wally

Kinda think Judy is the mother/experiment, which on screen means she's gonna be Sarah palmer. Someone C has "met" but doesn't know that he's met. Who else could be the dreamer, after all (except maybe Audrey)?

what if it's cole

"Mark, it's David... I have an idea!"

Fix your hearts and die!

*or

Holy lord, Donald Fagen is performing with a picture of Laura Palmer onstage! #TwinPeaks2017 pic.twitter.com/4Ad6nypZuI

— Stephen T Erlewine (@sterlewine) September 3, 2017

^ wow

Sweet

MAN i really hope Laura is in the finale

i do want to say I'm not going to be super happy if we get overly meta on this; I'm already very, very slightly worried that the Cole in Cole's dream was David Lynch, speaking to Monica Bellucci, and the 'audrey' we see at the end is Sherilyn Fenn. It's fine to flirt and hint at these things but we're 60 years past the height of metafiction and that shit is passe now.

sorry akm, what do you mean? couldn't parse that

i mean fourth wall breaking. As in, cole's dream and the answer to 'who is the dreamer' is about Lynch himself.

i don't get it either, akm

That does not seem consistent w Lynch's m.o.

I agree. But you have to agree that Cole's dream does flirt with this very slightly, no?

"i don't get it either, akm"

not sure why this is confusing. I'm saying there is a hint that the person in Cole's dream isn't Gordon Cole, it's David Lynch.

and the answer to the question "who is the dreamer?" is "David Lynch".

and that would be hackneyed and lame if it's made any more explicit than the hint that was already there.

i'm so confused

have yo people never seen 'it's gary shandling's show" or read a john barth book

Or the end of Bob Newhart’s later show where he wakes up at the end and the new show was his character from the old show dreaming the whole thing

Like, Twin Peaks exists as a shared dream between David Lynch and Sherilynn Fenn and maybe others, and the end is them waking up, or reality flipping to something that is our world or resembles it. Or Twin Peaks is the real world and our world is the dream.

definitely not what happens, but I get the Gordon angle. I get where you’re coming from, they won’t do it.

I mean, arguably, Cooper seeing Sunset Boulevard and hearing Gordon’s name is another blurring of lines between Hollywood and reality. Gordon Cole in the show only exists because Lynch wrote himself into the story, using the name of a character from a movie.

right. I mean...I'm happy enough with these flirtations with this aspect. But I hope there aren't any more; and I hope that's not where the Audrey thing is going.

If anyone is dreaming up the events of the show, it’s the characters in the lodges!

I think Frost’s influence, and the scope of the show have tamped down the openness of Lynch’s typical themes, but he’s a creator who leaves things open enough that different interpretations of his work can be derived, and I think he’d argue that any or all of them could be true. Someone could write a thesis explaining how all of Mulholland Drive was the creation of the scary dumpster guy and it’d be thin, but Lynch would probably agree it’s fine

ok i get it now. like DFW's Oblivion or Good Old Neon or Octet but DFW said Oblivion was inspired by Lynch.

All of Twin Peaks is Janey’s fever dream — she was actually injured in the same car accident as Dougie, and she’s dreamt up a past where her husband was a creation in the form of a FBI agent who was investigating supernatural things. She wrote her estranged half-sister into it.

Or David Lynch wakes up, and he’s actually at a Crysta Bell concert in a small venue that looks a little bit like the roadhouse, and he’s fallen asleep while pitching a sequel to Blue Velvet to Kyle MacLachlan.

“Oh, Kyle, I dreamt we were talking about a sequel to our Twin Peaks show instead!”
“David, what’s Twin Peaks?”

"Or David Lynch wakes up, and he’s actually at a Crysta Bell concert in a small venue that looks a little bit like the roadhouse, and he’s fallen asleep while pitching a sequel to Blue Velvet to Kyle MacLachlan."

that would explain why she is in this show at least

there are worse actors in the show but yeah

i like chrysta bell in this

Cooper sitting in the RR, Bad Coop walks in, cue "Don't Stop Believin'"