Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

are they going to get the original dougie again, who had gambling and cheating problems, or are they going to get a new blank slate dougie, or are they going to get a copy of cooper? in any case, janey-e seems to understand that cooper is different from dougie and won't really be fooled by any tulpa. the implication would be that they're better off with a fake husband/dad than just being alone, which is a pretty old-school sentiment.

I do think they'll get the original Doogie back - not that we might see it, but that that is the implication here. It's only fair since Coop took his place. It's not really his or anyone's responsibility to make Dougie 2.0 a 'better', non-cheating Dougie. Though I completely agree that it's pretty old-school.

It might be different after all if they play out the Diane/Janey-E theory, but my money's not on that one.

Re: discussion of the show's music and other music of that ilk, I thought it might be worthwhile to revive this worthy thread: late 80s early 90s lana del reyish lynchcore tumblrwave songs (warning: millennial content)

I do think they'll get the original Doogie back - not that we might see it, but that that is the implication here. It's only fair since Coop took his place. It's not really his or anyone's responsibility to make Dougie 2.0 a 'better', non-cheating Dougie

Either bad coop intentionally made doogie into a bad copy, which good coop or mike would hardly want to do, or dougie didn't start off bad but that's what 25 years living in las vegas does to you, in which case they'll have to take their chances.

I hope the climactic defeat of Evil Coop happens in the first hour and we get a long love-lettery wrapup. But I don't expect that.

cool to see chris gaines in this episode.

The idea of growing a new, better dad to replace the old one(s) feels like a return to the particular kind of fantasy you see in the earlier work like grandmother & eraserhead (and twin peaks's own fairytale elements have been discussed extensively obv). If they do go that route I quite like it as a cheerfully macabre resolution to that plot.

Last two episodes are all about Good Coop realizing that almost everyone in Twin Peaks is a tulpa and they're all destroyed by e.g. strange environmental factors related to Black & White Lodge events, Bad Coop going on a futile rampage, etc. etc.; show ends with a solemn Good Coop in Horne's now deserted Department Store cracking open a cold one with the only non-tulpa in town, a bewildered Dick Tremayne

I hope the climactic defeat of Evil Coop happens in the first hour and we get a long love-lettery wrapup. But I don't expect that.

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This is interesting. Maybe the defeat won't happen at all. Maybe it'll be a 'cyclical' möbius ending like MD, or big open one.

I want a 2017 FWWM2 after this!

maybe Lynch will confuse us by following up Lost Highway

I was thinking earlier how many heads would explode if julee cruise sang mysteries of love in part 18

OG Dougie escapes from the Black Lodge, reunites with Janey-E, cries "Why are there people like BOB in the world????"

45 minutes of all the recalled tulpas (dougie, diane, that woman from Cole's first case) sittin around in the Red Room, irritating the shit out of each other No Exit style

wow i would love to see Diane fuck with OG Dougie

FUCK YOU DOUGIE

Speaking of that guy, in that first scene when the fireman says "it is in our house now", the way Cooper replies "...it is?" sounds exactly like Dougie. I don't think it is obv but it'd be hilarious if they did that

i keep cracking up in my head thinking of Chrysta Bell's wide eyed "wow, that's sure a real tupla goshdarnit" moment

speaking of the Fireman's opening convo - still have no idea how "Linda" figures into this

i think dougie was such a useless, corrupt slave to his desires (the gambling, drinking, etc.) because he was a copy of the doppelganger (copy of a copy almost) rather than a copy of cooper.

otm

he looked like shit too

RIP Dougie, he liked rides

akm
Posted: 29 August 2017 at 17:58:48
i keep cracking up in my head thinking of Chrysta Bell's wide eyed "wow, that's sure a real tupla goshdarnit" moment

I liked it too as a moment in isolation but it sits weirdly next to Diane's story - the scene was amazing but I'm still working out how I feel about the Feds ventilating her & weird response throughout

But then how could Janey-E love him so much ;_;

xp to wmlynch

btw the spinoff I currently want more than anything is an accountancy show with Zulaski and the farm accountant

"I'll move my car"

that whole shootout sequence was so perfectly ridiculous

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley

It was a great payoff to the extended screwball set-up of that scene. Lynch has a real feel for classic comic rhythm (see also the Candie fly-swatting scene).

dougie had to have been set up with janey-e by the doppelganger at some point. there's no record of his existence prior to 1997 (seven years or so after we see the doppelganger exit the lodge), and we're told he had a car accident just prior to him starting work at the insurance agency around 2004 (mullins says he's been with the firm for 12 years). coincidentally, i'd guess that sonny jim is around that age. did the doppelganger hook up with janey-e first (finding her after visiting diane) and then replace himself with dougie?
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ohhh yeah, i forgot about his lack of records pre-1997. feel like that gives credence to the Janey-E = OG Diane theory.

if janey-e is diane then why doesn't cooper recognize her?

Yeah and why don't the other Feds notice that she looks like Laura Dern and not like Naomi Watts as said above

hmm ok good point that clears that up

wondering if the "Dougie has only existed since 1997" has any connection to Lost Highway.

I'm not so sure. I mean, we're really inquisitive about Dougie's past and origins, but maybe we're just scrutinizing things more than Janey did. It's weird to me, but it's interesting how many people I've met where their knowledge of people close to them, even romantic partners, is really indistinct. As if anything before they met is just kind of this shorthand of "oh, I was working in another city and moved here, and my family's all gone" and they're not really into reminiscing.

Mad Men, anyone

yeah but the point is that knowing what we know of janey-e's character, why is she attached to dougie? it seems likely to me that she was caring for him as if he had become incapacitated in some way, not that she met him and fell in love with him the way he was.
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yeah there was the car accident

l o s t h i g h w a y

ok i'll bite why do people think janey-e is diane? because i have no idea where that's coming from

Good posts wmlynch.

As much as I love Janey-E, we shouldn't oversee the fact that she's incredibly naive (for lack of a better word), forgiving "Dougie" for everything, going "Oh Dougie, you silly" on some really messed up stuff. She's deliberately two dimensional, basically (though certainly not the only one in this show)

Diane claiming that Janey-E is her sister, Naomi Watts playing a double/doppelganger character in Mulholland Drive named Diane, Janey-E's inquisitive/knowing look when Coop is vaguely explaining his situation when they're driving to the casino. xp

ok i'll bite why do people think janey-e is diane? because i have no idea where that's coming from

because ppl like stupid rabbit-hole theories

Naomi Watts playing a double/doppelganger character in Mulholland Drive named Diane

this is def extra-textual/irrelevant

http://sensesofcinema.com/assets/uploads/2014/06/BlueBox.jpg

xp perhaps... but I think it's important that the first time we see Janey-E in The Return, she's dressed EXACTLY like Betty Elms when she arrives in Hollywood in Mulholland Drive. Exact same outfit, haircut, etc. I feel like Lynch is not into deploying that kind of fan service without any deeper/further meaning.

I still don't know what to make of the abundant references to his filmography throughout The Return. I have a hard time believing Lynch is doing a Tarantino and just referencing himself for the hell of it.

# of characters in twin peaks that are actually another character in twin peaks, as of the last 50 hours of twin peaks: 0

but it's probably true that Candie is Laura and Janey is Diane and Rodney is Heidi and

"Janey-E's inquisitive/knowing look when Coop is vaguely explaining his situation when they're driving to the casino"

no

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpthumb.lisimg.com%2Fimage%2F4782041%2F500full.jpg&f=1
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similar but no

there was def something about twin peaks/lost highway/mullholland existing in the same universe on lynch's old website back in the day.

# of characters in twin peaks that are actually another character in twin peaks, as of the last 50 hours of twin peaks: 0

^^^also this

Lynch revels in parallels and coincidences, but this literal "person A is actually person B!" is not a thing he does, at least not in Twin Peaks.